Tristan Scott and Ryan Brown: Deciphering the Wellness Puzzle - Instincts, Interoception, and Introspection

In today's enlightening conversation, I had the privilege of joining Tristan Scott and Ryan Brown, the dynamic hosts of the 'Decentralized Radio' podcast. Tristan, with his impressive background as an electrical engineer and a deep passion for health, nutrition, regenerative agriculture, and more, shared a personal journey that pushed him towards understanding the intricacies of health and the existing flaws in our food and farming systems. Having battled post concussive syndrome (PCS), he's delved deep into the realm of self-healing, which has fostered his dedication to educating society on potential improvements. Outside of these profound conversations, Tristan can be found immersed in the outdoors, whether he's skiing, hiking, camping, or kayaking amidst the breathtaking landscapes of the Mountain West.

We deeply delved into the essence of holistic health. Advocating for doctors to act more as guides than traditional gatekeepers, I emphasized the synergy of various health avenues—from psychedelic and functional medicine to nutrition and mindfulness. It's crucial for patients to be empowered with an array of tools, echoing a shift I've observed: health and wellness moving beyond mere medication, with both physicians and patients growing more receptive to holistic practices. It's this rich blend of individual stories and collective learning that, to me, paints the full picture of health and wellness in our modern age.

In essence, our discussion was a thorough examination of contemporary well-being. We delved into the confluence of tradition, technology, and conscious choices, aiming to shed light on strategies for leading a balanced life in a rapidly evolving digital age. For those seeking insights into holistic health, our conversation serves as an informative guide, underscoring the importance of mindfulness, self-awareness, and a proactive approach to personal wellness.

Key Points From This Episode:

• Passion for health and wellness [00:09:56]
• Medication dependency and lack of knowledge [00:15:10]
• Embrace discomfort for personal growth [00:19:58]
• Embrace struggles for personal growth [00:30:08]
• Shift towards holistic health [00:35:34]
• Sleep, nutrition, movement, & mind [00:50:10]
• Biohacking for optimal health [00:54:28]
• Instant gratification hinders long-term health [01:04:09]
• The joy of spearfishing and its rewards [01:10:09]
• Breathing techniques for stress reduction [01:19:20]
• Be intentional with your phone [01:41:20]

Links Mentioned in Today’s Episode:

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Tristan Scott on Instagram

Ryan Brown Facebook

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David 'Jacko' Jackson

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Transcript

00:00 Andres Preschel
What I believe nowadays is that everybody, under the right circumstances, has the ability to significantly boost their ability, their focus, their drive, their passion, their strength, their fitness. I mean, if you provide your body the right environment, the right tools, the right nutrition, and if you live a biologically consistent lifestyle, it's unbelievable the potential that you can reveal and unleash. That's what I'm all about today. There is only one supplement that I think almost everyone on this planet should be taking and that's a full-spectrum and highly bioavailable magnesium supplement because, well, let's face it, ever since the industrial revolution, our soil has been depleted. of magnesium and therefore our food is depleted of magnesium and on top of that our modern environments which are inherently overstimulating and stressful are constantly depleting our body of magnesium and unlike other nutrients this is not something that your body can produce on its own it literally needs to get it from the diet. And one individual kind of magnesium alone is not enough. You actually need 7 different kinds to support over 300 biochemical reactions that help regulate your nervous system, red blood cell production, energy production, managing stress and emotions, etc. And so the folks at Bioptimizers have made it very easy and convenient to add back in what the modern world leaves out. They've created Magnesium Breakthrough. Now I've been taking this for the past two years and the biggest benefits that I've seen are related to my evening wind down sessions and my sleep. I tend to be pretty overactive in the evenings, just totally overthinking everything that I do. And this has helped me wind down and get more restorative, more efficient to sleep. So I wake up feeling way more refreshed, more energized, more clear, more ready for the day. And the way that I see it, sleep is upstream of essentially every other health and wellness related habit and decision. Because if you're sleeping better, automatically you're going to have more regular cravings, you're going to have higher insulin sensitivity, you can derive more of all these inputs like fitness, right? You make more gains, you gain more muscle, you burn more calories, and you wake up feeling refreshed so that you can do it again and again and again. And then beyond the fitness, you have more energy to go for a walk, to do fun activities with friends. You are less stressed, so you can socialize anxiety free. And you're also going to be retaining, refreshing and refining your skills and information much, much better. So you won't forget any names. And, yeah, I mean, like I said, over 300 biochemical processes that you're supporting with magnesium. Then sleep, I mean, wow, better sleep is just a better life in general. So, I found that extremely helpful on a personal level and I'm sure that you guys will find it helpful too. Your mind and body and maybe even your spirit will thank you. So anyway, if you want to get a sweet little discount off of this amazing, amazing magnesium supplement from Bioptimizers, all you have to do is visit the show notes. So you scroll down right now, takes just a couple seconds and boom, you'll have access to all seven different kinds of magnesium that your body needs. All you have to do is hit the link and use code KYP from Know Your Physio. KYP. That's all. Enjoy 10 to 22% off depending on the package you choose, whether or not you subscribe. I'm obviously subscribed because I don't even want to think about whether or not I'm going to get this essential supplement in the mail. And yeah, hope you guys enjoy that awesome stuff. And that's all for now. I'll see you guys on the show.

03:52 Tristan Scott All right, everyone, welcome back to Decentralized Radio. Today we have Andres on the line. How's it going, man? Thanks for joining. Yeah, it's going great. Thank you guys for having me here. Ryan, round two today, looking beautiful as ever.

04:06 *Ryan Brown * You know, I did shower yesterday. I tried to be a little ready for today. You can always tell when I've showered because the hair will poof out a little bit extra. But I'm excited. This will be a good conversation. This is like a month in the making here, so it'll be good.

04:22 Andres Preschel So you've killed off some of those natural pheromones. You're not looking to go out tonight?

04:27 *Ryan Brown * No, dude. I actually went out funnily enough. I went out with my brother, my girlfriend, and was there anyone else there? There might've been. I can't remember. I went out one night and I don't drink, so I was just kind of there in the moment. I have such a hard time staying up late. It's just tough. I feel like most people will hit a threshold where they're out long enough that they hit an adrenaline rush and they feel awake again, maybe around midnight. Not me, man. I was dead. I was falling asleep at every bar we went to. I'm not doing that one probably again for a while, but not too much of a night owl. Not too much of a night owl. How about you?

05:08 Andres Preschel Yeah. Well, I used to do a lot of that back in high school. I feel like I got it out of my system pretty early on. In fact, my mom took my fake ID picture when I was like 17. I have the most responsible parents ever. Same here, man.

05:19 *Ryan Brown * Same here. Wait, do those work? I've never heard of anybody actually having success with those.

05:26 Andres Preschel In Miami, it's basically like a second bar mitzvah, I guess. I say second because I am Jewish and I did my bar mitzvah, but it's like a ritual. It's like by the time you turn 17 or 18, you better have your fake ID or else you haven't actually hit puberty yet. Um, and so over here, I mean, the ideas look fake, but like, it's just so common that. And, and nobody really gives a fuck, you know, they just, as long as you're paying and you know, you're having fun or whatever, you're, you're not being an asshole. Uh, you'll be fine by the way. I love how on brand we all are. I just went for a quick jog with my dog, did some grounding on the beach before this. I always do that before every podcast. Uh, we've got Tristan with, uh, with the gym in the background. It's got Ryan with the blue blockers. This is very on brand. I love this. The mountain water right there. Yeah, we don't mess around.

06:23 Tristan Scott I strategically set up my office in my garage because it's like the only way you can get natural light in without, you know, windows or anything or just working outside is dope. And I do that at the park every day. But for a podcast set up and multiple screens, it's impossible not to. Yeah, no, it's a sweet setup. But I guess I'm curious, you know, we talked about right then going out. I did the same in high school. I partied a lot, I guess, high school, college and got out of my system for sure. It was a similar vibe. But I'm curious, kind of leading into that, because you went to school for kind of like, is it exercise and physiology or just physiology, but definitely more on the movement fitness side of things, right?

07:06 Andres Preschel Yeah. So I switched majors a bunch of times. Um, I was pre-med track. I did all my pre-med courses. So calc two biochemistry, organic chemistry, all the labs, but I didn't end up pursuing medicine and we can get into that later. But, um, I switched majors three times. So I was originally like pre-med undecided. So I was basically a bio major. Then I think I switched to, uh, bio med for like a few months, but I hated it because I just, I suck at it. I'm great at math, but I suck at physics. Um, then I switched to, I was on the waiting list for neuroscience because there was like a hundred people cap. So I was basically a psych major. Didn't want to be a psych major. Then I switched the fourth time to exercise physiology because it was taught. It really closely paralleled. Uh, uh, pre-med because we had an incredible professor that really saw exercise and lifestyle as medicine. So it was a really, really strong, uh, connection there. And I was all about the lifestyle medicine. So I started to pursue exercise physiology as my major did a psychology as a minor. I was, um, able to start my master's while I was still in undergrad. So I was doing a master's in applied physiology with a concentration in nutrition for health and human performance. Um, so I was like one of two kids in like a class full of PhDs at one point for like a chronic disease prevention class, which is pretty cool. And, uh, yeah, I got a chance to do a lot of those credits eventually started a master's program. I was a graduate assistant, was on a fully funded research scholarship. I was fucking crushing it. And then of course I got crushed by COVID and the pandemic, and I wasn't able to complete that master's degree because the classes just weren't running. I did get really really far ahead of it didn't get the chance to complete it And so between now and then I've been getting most of my education Through my podcast interacting with the world's best in the realms of health high performance nutrition longevity And now I'm actually about to start my master's in neuroscience with the University of Florida Yeah, so I'm always learning in and outside of school love applying and I think that I you know, taking an end of one approach to health and wellness and then working with other people is an incredible way to learn anecdotal for sure. But you get to see the real world application of all this incredible science and that's what I'm really all about. So yeah, that's awesome.

09:31 Tristan Scott That's my background. I, yeah, I saw the neuroscience in, in your bio and I wasn't sure I was like, is that new or is that something Yeah. So that's what I thought. So that's really cool. And it's tough navigating academia, I'm sure, but it sounds like you kind of had this, like you wanted to get into, I guess, health or medicine or some field from an early age. Was that, was that installed by the way you were raised? You're always into kind of like working out fitness.

09:59 Andres Preschel So, um, had a lot more to do with how I was raised and then it had something to do with fitness. So, uh, you know, my, my parents are in the medical field. So my dad's an eye surgeon, my mom's a dentist and they have since I, as far back as I can remember, one of the main conversations in our dinner table every night when we finally got together, you know, they were working every single day, almost all of our conversations revolved around their story that day of, you know, how they got to help someone and how they, how they got, how they helped someone get their vision back or how they helped somebody smile. Um, you know, they're both doctors. Um, in their own way. But it's, it's so interesting because they are the kind of doctors that really get to see, um, man, how'd I put this? Like people like shedding their light, like I'm not shitting on any other doctor, but it's like a smile, like the eyes, there's such particular areas, there's such intimate areas. And so, I don't know, I think having that kind of early exposure, seeing how rewarding it was to apply science to help others, and then also being a scientific mathematical kind of guy myself, I naturally gravitated towards the medical field. And the more exposure that I got, the more I started to realize that there were certain values that I loved about it, like core values. helping other people, being selfless, being a healer, a provider. But then there were other things that I didn't agree with that resonated with my challenges at the time. So I was medicated almost my whole life for attention deficit disorder, and I started to deal with some pretty nasty side effects. And as I started to do the shadowing for medical school, I started to see a pattern that I didn't like, which was that because the root cause wasn't ultimately addressed, these patients just kept coming back for the same procedure over and over and over and over. I'm talking like second or third liver transplants. It was insane. And so I had gained a bit of an interest in neuroscience because I had early exposure through a high school program that I did at a university. And that's where I learned about neuroplasticity, about being able to heal your body through lifestyle. I had access to the gym, the dining hall, social life. I wasn't on medication because it was a summer break. So basically it was the perfect storm. of this sort of appreciation for applied science to help others with my personal journey, with, you know, the perspective of, okay, I can actually help heal my, you know, root illness. And as such, I don't have to take all these medications that can be these side effects. I can actually help my body level up. And so I started to take the things that I love from my parents and from the medical field, but I started to go in the direction of disease prevention. and lifestyle medicine. And, uh, that's how things evolved. And of course, you know, uh, getting fit myself for the first time and really gaining muscle and feeling confident. Um, the way I like to put it, uh, genuinely, I mean, this in the surface level is kind of, kind of sounds funny to say, but I genuinely believe this is what happened. I was able to through lifestyle change, bring my real genius to life because my whole life at that, to that point, I had been taking medication that helped me get by. And when you're a young guy, I mean, like, you know, a lot of your identity has to do with how you do in school, let's just face it. And so I knew that I depended on the substance to get by, I didn't think I was very smart, I didn't think I was very capable. And it wasn't until I was able to give my body what it needed to thrive, that I realized what I really had inside of me, and what I was genuinely capable of. And what I believe nowadays is that everybody under the right circumstances has the ability to do that, to significantly boost their ability, their focus, their drive, their passion, their strength, their fitness. I mean, if you provide your body the right environment, the right tools, the right nutrition, um, And if you live a biologically consistent lifestyle, it's unbelievable the potential that you can reveal and unleash. So that's what I'm all about today.

14:11 *Ryan Brown * Man, that's fricking powerful. I'm glad we have someone on the podcast that's a powerful speaker, because it's super engaging. I'm not falling asleep. I'm not like, oh, shoot. I got to remember. I got to do a question now. I got to do a question. No, that's great. And it's really interesting. You bring up ADHD. And so I've been hanging out with them. This is sort of an aside, but I find it kind of interesting because of your past history dealing with your own sort of illness, which is pretty common in our space. Pretty much everyone that's gotten to where they are now had a lot of these struggles maybe a little bit different, but a lot of them had a lot of the same kind of root cause issues in sort of the way we live our lives in modern society. What I find interesting is, specifically to ADHD and stuff, I've been hanging around with my girlfriend's family quite a bit over the last several days, and you know, they're a little bit older, kind of like generational, everyone's together, kind of hanging out, and everyone's sort of like, these conversations, like a lot of them are revolving around like, these medications that they're on, or like, oh my, and they're complaining about the system while actively engaging in being dependent on the system. So it's really fascinating. I'm actually quite impressed by how knowledgeable the everyday person is. This is a small scope, but of the medication they take. They say, oh, no, you don't want to be on that one. You want to be on this one, XYZ. But none of them really understand, like, the paradigm outside of what it would be like to not need a medication to thrive, because all of them are on these meds for some sort of ailment, whether it's mental health or otherwise. and they're still not thriving. So that's kind of where I was at a couple of years ago. I mean, I had a bunch of other stuff going on, but I was somebody like you who, I actually had undiagnosed ADHD for pretty much until a couple of years ago. And so I just had these patterns that I just didn't know why I couldn't, I was always bouncing around and could never figure out why my mind could never hyper-focus unless it was something I actually gave a shit about. And I actually never really knew how prevalent that issue was until I started talking to my mom this last year. My mom's a first grade teacher. And she was saying, I've never seen so many kids with ADHD diagnoses on Adderall at fricking six, seven years old. their entire life. And so we live in a society, as you know, that's just like overmedicated, undernourished, in more ways than just food. And so it's really cool that you've gone through this journey and are now sort of trying to give back on top of that and really instill people's own ability to make themselves the best version of themselves. without having to maybe go through something to lean on per se, because I think that's all within us. And the resources are there if you're willing to educate yourself. And that's why I think it's cool to have you on the show, because I think you'll be a great resource for people, at least at the very minimum, feel motivated to start taking action on your life. But you've done a bunch of stuff outside of just get better and now help other people. What really has been like, Was seeing people sick in the workspace what really drove you to aspire to be the best version of you to then give back to them? And what has driven all the stuff you've done online? Because I've actually found the best way to learn wasn't necessarily in the classroom, but it was having these conversations with people and talking to people that know more than you do. And so I'd love to like hear your experience, like doing that sort of work and like podcasting and having these conversations and sort of like the enlightenment you felt with that.

17:47 Andres Preschel Yeah, man. So I'll tell you what, first and foremost, thank you for the recognition. Thank you for the kind words. And, and, um, I think the conversation that you mentioned alone with, uh, you know, how, how normal it is to be medicated and, uh, and, and look, uh, None of us are doctors. There's always room for that. I think it makes sense in certain cases. And I think none of this is not medical advice, but, uh, it's. Insane to see how quickly people will gravitate towards medicine, how they'll just completely neglect any root cause. or anything in their life. And, you know, there's like, there's, there's all these, these levers that we can pull these, these physiological levers that we can pull to get our body to return back to its, its roots. And it's a shame that, uh, these medications, these drugs are just so readily accessible, but the knowledge of our body isn't, I think that's a crime. Anyway, what drives me to have these conversations, honestly, man, one of the biggest things that drives me, I mean, obviously the mission to help other people get their hands on the substance that I wish I had my hands on earlier, that's one. Like every time I have a conversation, I hope that, because I've had this, I've had a similar conversation like this one many times. Obviously this is a new perspective, new questions, new dynamic, but it's like, it isn't until you say it a certain way that it really clicks for someone. And every time I have a conversation, I hope that I can provide at least one of these gold nuggets of wisdom. It can be a phrase, it can be a word, it can be the way that I say something, the way that you guys ask me something that'll motivate someone to be curious about their body, about their health and to want to learn more. And so the trajectory that I've seen in my personal professional life through podcasting has been just absolutely incredible. And I think it's because so many people are gaining value from these conversations. And on top of that, you know, public speaking. I mean, even though this is necessarily public, but having conversations with people that were older, wiser, uh, have always been so afraid to do that. And so it's been like an incredible personal growth journey. And at the same time, a growth journey for anybody tuning in. Um, and that is just the most beautiful thing. Um, and you know, now I'm actually looking forward to taking the next step towards something that I'm afraid of, which is public speaking, like getting on stage. Um, it's, it, it actually, it fires me up to say that, but at the same time, it like terrifies me, but like in a good way, um, because I see so much growth now in that discomfort. And, um, to that point, I think a lot of people maybe get uncomfortable when you tell them, Hey, you know what, there's, an answer to getting yourself healthier, to feeling better. That isn't medication. That isn't your Adderall, you know, that isn't pills, it's information. And that may feel uncomfortable because it's the norm, right? To just reach for this and get that instant gratification that you think is helping you, but is destroying you in the longterm. Um, I think it's time to learn, man. And I hope that these conversations help inspire people to do that.

20:59 Tristan Scott Yeah, I think it's the same mindset for us. It's so valuable to speak. It's so valuable to have these connections. We do as many in person as we can. Obviously, it's a bit challenging, especially when I live in Wyoming. But just meeting people and getting their knowledge, sharing that knowledge, and spreading it out to your audiences is profound. And it can have a profound impact on someone's life. And that's why we're doing what we're doing here. It's, it's awesome, especially, you know, we're, you know, young, young man, like similar age, where it can be a challenge. And we're trying to break through to this space. And it's, it's awesome. And I love your mindset and pumping people up in general, and in your group chats and social media, it's definitely the way. the camaraderie. It can be hard in these spaces, right? Because, you know, you kind of get isolated when you first dive into holistic health or alternative health, whatever you want to call it. You kind of have to take this big jump. And most of your friends you went to high school with or talking about high school life earlier, you know, they're not going to be on the same page here. Like they think you're nuts. Your family thinks you're nuts. So it is lonely. So it's awesome to kind of get a little community going. And going back to the ADHD thing, Ryan, you're calling it an issue. I would even debate that it's not even an issue. It's just the modern lifestyle. Yeah. So it's crazy for me because actually in the past six months, I've realized that I for sure have whatever you want to call it, that issue, because I just need to move, especially in the summertime, I've noticed. And I've got more sun deliberately this summer than ever before. And in the summertime, I just have this do mentality. I want to move. I want to physically do things. And I think as a male, obviously, that would be very indicative of ancestrally what we would be doing. And maybe a winter is more slow and more creative, and there's actually neural pathways that some people talk about is, you know, more dopamine created. or back cycled from melanin like in the winter, which is fascinating. But I'm curious and my family and girlfriend have visited and told me that they're like, you need to go run around or something. You're a little stir crazy. I'm like, yeah, probably. But I'm curious, Andres, if that's your perspective, too, and kind of how you see that, you know, fit into the modern lifestyle. And do you use, you know, exercise, challenging exercise and high performance to kind of physically to quench that?

23:37 Andres Preschel Yeah, I mean, I would say that exercise, and we can dive into all these in depth, but exercise, the right nutrition, good sleep, fasting, and cold exposure have been really good at sensitizing my dopamine centers. Um, and by the way, I think Ryan, I want to give Brian credit here because he did say that he thinks he has ADD and he, he noticed that he hyper-focuses and things that he really gives a fuck about. That's verbatim.

24:07 *Ryan Brown * What's funny about that. Just side note is that I, I would, all these things were told to me. I never like asked for diagnosis. And so for me, it's like one of those things where it's like, I really hate adding the labels and stuff, but sometimes I don't know how to describe it. But yeah, it's funny. Cause it's, that's a whole nother topic. I'll let you continue there.

24:25 Andres Preschel Yeah. Well, I'll just say like, I, I have, I recognize looking back that throughout my whole life, when it came to anything that I genuinely cared about and the school environment for me was never, ever, ever ideal for learning ever, or just anything. It wasn't ideal for anything. But, um, And I knew that. So, so I made my education happen outside of school. And whenever it came to the things that I was genuinely interested in, which at the time, and to this day, they still are, you know, fishing, video games. like anything that I was even remotely interested in, I would just absolutely master like some kind of savant. Like it was just, it was so messed up. Um, and I realized, look, I, I naturally have this hyper focus. Like, let me try to channel this in, in a way that can actually, you know, in a more selfless way because fishing and video games is a very, it's very selfless. It's pretty selfish, but it's still fun nonetheless. Anyway, so I, um, I started to get interested in the things that actually upregulated my dopamine. And I guess that's a funny thing there, right? Like the things that I was interested in actually gave me more dopamine naturally. And they can give anyone, they can help just about anyone sensitize their dopamine centers. So yeah, exercise, like the reason why I'm sweating right now and I got some movement before this episode is because I had spent the whole day sitting inside, just kind of doing work that I hadn't caught up on over the weekend. And I just had to move my body or else I'm telling you guys, I wouldn't be the same person that you guys see on camera. I'm just, I just would not be in this mood. I wouldn't be in this flow. It just wouldn't happen. So it feels great. Um, really, really good for the dopamine centers. Um, fasting has helped me a lot. The, you know, going from a fed state to a, uh, a facet state. So from a glucose, you know, when you get that glucose to ketone switch, It's called intermittent metabolic switching. You start to see upregulation of, uh, BDNF brain drive, neurotrophic factor for neurogenesis, neuroplasticity, synaptic genesis, and, uh, CREB, um, which is really good for long-term memory. And so, uh, that was, that's, I feel, I genuinely feel the, the, the influence of that happening as I fast regularly now, nowadays, more intuitive. And by the way, for the women that are listening. Get to know your female biorhythm. Don't fast like a man. Um, and, uh, yeah, obviously they're in nutrition. So I know, I know now that gluten, for example, is a huge trigger food of mine. And when I have gluten, I feel tremendous brain fog. I get a little anxious. It just doesn't work. And I'm not, I don't have celiac. I have a genetic predisposition for it, but it's not active. So, you know, my whole life I had gluten and I wonder sometimes what would my life have been like if I didn't have any gluten growing up? You know, my parents always, you know, gave us, we always had access to healthy food, but my parents are doctors. They don't know any better than to give us, you know, whatever, get ready to go to school, you know, and they weren't monitoring what I'm eating in school. When I was actually on the meds, I was surviving off of like ensure shakes, which are trash. Like I didn't have the appetite for anything else. So anyway, um, you know, whole food, nutrient, uh, nutrient dense foods, sleep. I was jacked up on amphetamines, didn't get sleep. So the, the theme here is I start to add back in all the things that I had basically turned down because I was jacked up on amphetamines. And isn't that like a, that's such a particular thing. Right. Um, uh, and, uh, yeah, my brain started to do things that I never thought it could. I started to accomplish things that I'd never knew or never Can never imagine where possible and it all goes down to, well, I give my brain what it needed to naturally get its dopamine into. And I just continue to narrow down that focus. And I got more of that positive reinforcement as it became more sensitive to it. And it just became, as you can tell an obsession. Um, and, uh, yeah, I'm here to tell a tale and I'd say, I'll tell you what, you know, you asked me on my credibility early on in this episode, I would say where I'm most credible and this comes from the heart. is that because I went through that journey, like maybe I have the knowledge and I'm always looking for more knowledge, but because I went through that journey, I can genuinely empathize with the folks that want to get there. Like when I work with my clients, I don't just tell them, Oh, look, here's your data. Here's your blood. I'm going to, you know, look at it with my medical board and we're going to determine like, okay. Yeah. Like logically that makes sense, but I really can feel for them. I could put myself in their shoes because I have been there. I was there for over a decade of my life. So I know what that feels like. I know what it feels like to be totally out of touch with your body and to just kind of go through the motions of life and cross your fingers and hope for the best. Like it sucks when you finally feel what it's like to thrive. It's insane. It's it, you, you quite literally feel like you're an alien on earth. Um, And I think everyone deserves to experience that at least once. And trust me, if you experience it once, you're going to want to feel like that every single day of your life, period. So let's do whatever it takes to get you there.

29:42 *Ryan Brown * No, I mean, I couldn't have actually said it any better. It's really interesting too, because it's like, it's sort of like a retrospective once you get, or once you see a lot of progress and you look back and you're sort of like, oh man, if I had known when I was X amount of years old, if I had known this one concept, my life would have been like completely different. But at the same time, it's like, And this is something I've actually had a really, really difficult time with as I've started doing, I've really started doing a lot of the mindset work with like, been doing EMDR with my therapist and like all this sort of like trying to unseat rooted traumas. I think were a lot of triggers for a lot of the susceptibilities that came to be for me in my late teens. It's really, you have to be like, okay, with the fact that you weren't OK at a point in earlier time. And then sort of because of that, you never would have turned out the way you did. You would have never discovered like half the things you've learned if you didn't go through all that shit. Right. So I've actually become I've actually become very grateful for like all the struggles I've had to go through. Like for me, like a little background, my story, like everyone already knows this. I won't say I'm very long, but I had anorexia when I was 18 for like about two years. I was like 80 pounds or something. And that destroyed a bunch of stuff. But I really beat myself up for a long time because of that. I was like, oh man, if I didn't have, if I didn't do that, I wouldn't be dealing with like that problem now that I got to work on and this problem. But at the same time, I probably would have never ventured into any of this alt health stuff. or met any of you guys had I not gone through those years of my life. So I've actually become thankful for those. And I was even telling my girlfriend the other day, I was like, you know, I actually wouldn't go back and change anything, even though I deal with some stuff now that I'm still working on. Because the amount of knowledge that I have now at 27 is invaluable. I never would have been, and I still have lots to learn, don't get me wrong, I'm hardly wise, but I would be so much further back. Probably would have gone, been in a desk job right now, I'd probably be still at work till about six, come home, probably hate my life. And that'd probably be like my day. So you sort of have to be happy for the experiences you've had. And like you said, what's really cool about going through that and then working with people, and I've had this experience, working with people myself, is you can meet them on their level, which is really what they want and what they can't get out of the centralized medical system, usually. Because the doctor usually can't necessarily relate to the patient dealing with a struggle, especially if you're going to a GP or something like that. They see so many people. And usually, they've never had all the ailments obviously that their patients deal with. So it's almost impossible for them to no fault of their own to meet them on their level when they gotta see another patient in 30 minutes. So it's really valuable on this end to have had those instances and you can really get that one-on-one with somebody and it's a really cool experience. I think it's something that you can only ever really feel if, like yourself, have worked with somebody else that has been through what you've gone through on some level. It's really cool. I'm sure you've felt that.

32:59 Andres Preschel Yeah, thank you for sharing that. And, you know, if you know, we all the three of us have a hero's journey, right, that we can tell now and reflect back on deeply. And you're absolutely right. Like if I had, if I hadn't done this, or gone through this experience, I was, and by the way, you know, I, I got to the point where I was really fed up and it was, it was super ugly. It was, I was, I was, I got really depressed, really sick. Like it was a very dark period of my life when I finally decided to just flip the switch. Very, very, very dark period. But I honestly believe that if I hadn't gone through that and if I had stuck through and become a doctor, dude, I honestly, in this. call it controversial or call it whatever. Maybe I shouldn't say this, but I'm just going to say it. I think I would have, like, I don't think it would have ended well at all. Like I, I don't think I would have helped anybody because I didn't know, I wouldn't have known how to help myself. And if I was just giving out drugs and you know, whatever, because the system or insurance or whatever, like I, I don't think I would have done a good job. I don't think I would have been happy. Um, and I'm, I'm holding back on things that I can say, but, um, yeah, I, I admire everyone in the medical field who does that. And I have, and I work with people now that are doctors who have a mindset that is unbelievable and they bring in functional and integrative and all that. And I'm not shitting on the doctors who don't, but I believe for me personally, with my history, my health, what I went through, what I saw, it would have gone against everything that I believed in. And I would have been very unhappy.

34:34 Tristan Scott Yeah, no, I think it's important to look back at that because it's well, first off, everything happens for a reason. And we all kind of embody that, right? Like we've gone through struggles and it's kind of the inflection point of our lives. And it had to do with health. And we were meant to go deeper into the health rabbit hole and learn about it and then share that knowledge with others. Because obviously, your body was telling you innately that That was not the path for you, right? So you can look back and realize that. But in the moment, yeah, that's scary. And you don't know where your life's going to head. So it's really powerful, that kind of mindset. But I'm curious, tying this into your parents are, I guess, maybe traditional doctors. And you're working with doctors. And you're talking about the issues with centralized health care. And what are the principles of what you do today? And what are your thoughts on, I guess, the system as a whole, the health care system? Do you see a shift? You're mentioning more integrated functional measures. Do you see a positive shift occurring? And how do you see this kind of playing out in terms of progression going forward?

35:47 Andres Preschel That's a great question, man. And it's a loaded question. But what I'll start with is I totally, absolutely see. Uh, what do you want to call it? Western medicine or standard medicine? Um, modern medicine. I see, I see that, that, that we're always going to need that. I will always value that. It's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's critical. We need to have that. Um, I think more people are starting to wake up both patients and doctors to the idea that there's more to health than medication. And then in fact, you should look at your lifestyle. You should look at your decisions. You should look at your thoughts. You should look at your relationships, your environment and how they influence, uh, your state, your, your, your wellbeing. Um, and, uh, as far as the principles that I tie in, I mean, you guys, know that I'm really in on the lifestyle medicine. I think that because we live in such a modern world, we have to make the effort, which otherwise we wouldn't have to make. But in this modern world, we have to make the effort to return to a, uh, biologically consistent lifestyle. So what that means is, you know, What happens when the sun goes down nowadays and in nature, when the sun goes down and it intersects more of the atmosphere and as such, we filter more blue light, it gets, you know, the sky gets red and we start to accumulate melatonin. Nowadays, sun goes down, we turn on the lights, we go on our phones. So we're not accumulating melatonin. So we don't have that one third of our life sleep that makes it two thirds the best that it can be. Um, that's just one example. You know, we're not moving our body. So our body becomes inflamed. They become slow. It becomes, um, tired, sick, uh, you know, we start to lose muscle, gain fat. Uh, I mean, there's X, Y, Z example. There's so many different examples. I'm all about returning to the lifestyle. That's, that's biologically consistent in the modern day. So some people call that biohacking. Some people call it integrative health. I just think it's knowing your physiology, which is the name of my brand. I think if you know your physiology, you'll know what you need to do to pull those those, those levers and unleash your, your, your body body's potential. Um, and, uh, look, I'll tell you what the doctors that I work with nowadays, they, they get it. They have always been selfless people. They went into medicine for what I believe are the right reasons. They really did it to help others and they are willing to learn and do whatever it takes to get people the help that they need. So I've worked with doctors that. what they say and what they do, that's just how it is. And then I work with doctors that are very open-minded and they collaborate with other specialists to give their patients access to all kinds of medicine, from the Western modern medicine to psychedelic medicine, to lifestyle medicine, to nutrition and functional medicine, you name it, to yoga and mindfulness, everything. And those are the doctors that I like to work with. Nothing wrong with the rest, but that's what I believe. And that's what I like to work with. So I like I said, I do see people waking up to this. I see the medical field transforming but again With every action there's an equal and opposite reaction I'm sure there's people that are now further away from holistic health now more than ever before right? So We're in a space where we love what we do. We believe in what we do. Um, like you said, in the beginning, when you're first getting into this field, it may feel isolated. You may feel isolated from your, from your people that you grew up with. Um, but all of a sudden you start to find this community. people that believe and do the same or similar things. And I think that that's true for a lot of the medical medical field as well. You know, a lot of these doctors that were traditional doctors and started moving the direction of more integrative medicine, maybe in the beginning they were more isolated, but now I definitely see this sort of coming together. I see social media as being a platform that facilitates that movement to a certain degree. However, I think that one of the biggest threats to this movement is that on social media, everyone's so busy calling everybody else out. Um, that's a whole other thing to that we can talk about, but, um, I think it's always going to come down to collaboration, to showing the, to educating the patient or the client and helping them harness the intuition so that the doctor isn't necessarily like a dictator, but like a leader in their health journey that gives them access to all the tools that they need. So I hope that that was a way. I hope that that was a good answer to your question in a way that really encapsulates everything that I believe.

40:30 *Ryan Brown * I thought that was pretty good. I mean, in my mind, it's sort of, and this is just sort of the consensus I've come to on my own as well as talking to other people, is that no matter what, the effort to change the system, which I don't think will ever be changed in the way that I would like, is going to need to be a patient-led effort because It's just the way it is. I have conversations like this with people that just messaged me on Instagram. They're like, oh, I got this thing. What do I do about this thing? What doctor do I see? Blah, blah, blah. And I'm like, you know, at the end of the day, it's like, I mean, you may need to see somebody or whatever, but you're still going to do probably 90% of the heavy lifting on your own to try and figure that out. And there's almost no way around that. I've learned from lots of different mentors and gurus or whatever you want to call them online. I kind of want to get into the infighting because that sounds fun. But most of what I've learned, I had to seek out myself. And it's about being innately curious. And I feel like just people, you're either curious or you're not. You're either driven to curiosity through pain and suffering, or you're innately that way, or you're somebody that doesn't want to deal with that. And so you accept what you think is inevitable, which is lifetime of polypharmacy, multiple medications, all this stuff. Either way, you kind of meet a fork in the road. And I think everyone gets there at some point in life. Some find it sooner than other people. They reach that fork. But what I think is bright is that, yeah, I've spoken to a lot of doctors in the space, particularly younger doctors, but even some older ones, that as long as they're not set in their ways, per se, seem to be pretty open-minded to always learning, always taking in new information. I think on a higher level, what would be great for practitioners in a conventional setting would be being more open-minded to things that don't necessarily come out of a peer-reviewed thousand placebo-blinded study or whatever and just like look at logical things. I feel like we don't, I feel like there's so much like logical stuff just like happening in the medical space that it would behoove people to just like use common sense and not just like, you know, listen to like what big pharma is trying to sell a drug for. But it's super nuanced. So it's like there's not black and white. What I want to get to is like within the community itself, I see the same problems in the functional health space which I actually don't even like that term anymore. But the same problems happen to functional health space, but it's just usually with like supplements and weird, all these protocols and all these different diets and stuff. And then you get the same issue where it's like people are now in camps within the health space where they're anti whatever, allopathic medicine, but they're like super stuck in their ways of like, this is the only way health can thrive is like, you got to be vegan or whatever. You got to get into the diet camps. And even within that, there's a myopic perspective that I think people would be good to like look outside of themselves for a little bit. But I think that's just sort of the nature of being human is you find sort of tribes and you sort of settle on that. And then you find out that something doesn't work exactly like you were told it was going to work. And then you're like, oh, your mind's open again and you look for other stuff. So I sort of love your opinions on like, how do you remain open minded to new concepts and ideas and not get into that path of like, Like getting stuck again because I find that that's a very easy thing to do for people On the way because I'm I'm one of those people were like I've never accepted that anything has to be inherently that way for sure I'm always open to being wrong.

44:17 Andres Preschel And I think that that's something that the community in general needs more of I'll tell you what I will You asked a great question and Before I get into my complete answer. I'll share with you a two nuggets of wisdom that my professor, my biggest inspiration, a professor from the University of Miami shared with me many years ago. The first one is that just because evidence is lacking doesn't mean that something is lacking in evidence. So what that means is just because we don't have proof that something works doesn't mean that it doesn't work. You know, we don't yet have the proof doesn't mean that it doesn't work. And then the second thing is every good scientist is skeptical. I identify as a scientist. I like to test things. And here's the real question is, well, what's testing? Because sometimes my testing is intuition. If it's something intuitively doesn't agree with me, but like theoretically or logically or systematic review, whatever says it does well. then who's right and who's wrong. Um, because systematic reviews, they look at a general consensus out of thousands of people and maybe hundreds of studies, but that's not me. Right. So, um, I think that, ah, man, there is no perfect answer to this question. At least not that I have one. I don't have a perfect answer to the question. I would say, yeah, I would say that the tribe that I like to surround myself with, And maybe I'll regret saying this five years from now, but I like to surround myself with people that question, but aren't necessarily conspiracy theorists. Just people that ask questions, people that are curious. That's what I like to surround myself with. If you're curious, then whether, whether something's right or wrong, you're still going to ask why. And I think that question of asking why. That's my biggest question. It's a number of question will eventually lead me to either some mechanism of action or some kind of intuition. And that typically is enough for me to feel good about the decision that I'm making. Um, and look, I am sure that five to 10 years from now, I'll reflect back on some of the things that I do nowadays, and maybe I will regret it. But I know that I am still going to test whether it's the reviews or my own intuition to figure out what's right for me. And hopefully one day I'll have the perfect answer to your question. But for now, asking why is good enough for me.

46:51 Tristan Scott Yeah. And I mean, that's why I think we align like pretty well in mindset is because That's really what it comes down to. And the more you learn, the more you realize that we don't know. And yeah, the more you look at studies, the more you realize that more and more are very questionable. But they have nuggets of information that can be extremely valuable for you to put together your hypothesis for what's most optimal for your environment. But I mean, let's be real. And that's why I love that you're saying you're testing or you're collecting N of 1 data. And then Ryan and I were talking earlier today about that. Like I'm going to do some, you know, experimental lab tests, compare summer versus winter and, you know, completely just embrace seasonality, which is pretty profound up here in Wyoming compared to where you are in Miami and get it out there because guess what? there's no, there's no information for healthy 20 something year old men like us who are really embracing like a seasonal ancestral, whatever you want to call it. You call it biologically consistent. I really like that because that's not putting you in any camp and it is biologically unique, right? We're totally different genetic background, geography, where we live. So it is going to be different. And we shouldn't do the same thing. I mean, maybe part of the year, maybe like, you know, obviously value sleep movement, things like that. But I think that's what what's really important. But it doesn't fit well with the narrative of anyone's mindset, because people just want to be told what to do, and what's like an easy thing. And That's why you see people go from vegan, strict veganism to strict carnivore, because they're like, all right, this is just like really simple and I can just do this and I'll be healthy. And then, you know, depending where they live, what their activity level is, you know, they might not be healthy for that long. So I'm curious, what are your like principles of, or pillars of health, just at a high level, like what's like a day in the life for you And how do you balance that biologically consistent living and the modern lifestyle? Because to me, that's like the biggest challenge. Obviously, we can't just go back to living in the woods, although I might if things really hit the fan. But seriously, it's the biggest struggle. And we want to continue to progress as a society. So I'm curious, How your mindset has evolved around this? And, you know, are there things now that you value more than maybe two years ago? Like, um, for example.

49:27 Andres Preschel Yeah. Great, great question and great preface to it. And I will say that, uh, you know, over the years I've been exposed to a lot, especially because I've been, uh, I do a lot of work on social media and so I see all these trends come and go and influencers come and go. I've been doing this, I've been on social media now for like five or six years and that's not the ideal place to learn anything, but you get to see how people think and how their ways of thinking evolve. And so I think it's a way to, I think it's like a, yeah, you get a lot of exposure to a lot of different ideas. Um, I would say that right now my biggest foundations, The following and they are they are in order in terms of I guess you can call them not necessarily priority, but I'll just lay them out for you. You guys can help me find the best word. So number one is sleep I'm very very big on on sleep. I think that Everybody tuning in right now can sleep at least 10% better more efficiently Waking up less throughout the night feeling refreshed recovered in the mornings ready for the day. I think everybody can improve their sleep And if you think about it, it's one third of our life. Like if your life expectancy is 75 years, that's 25 years of sleep. Sleep is the best opportunity that you have for your body to orchestrate a series of biological processes that help you repair, remember, refine, recover. And it does this intelligently. Like you're giving your body the opportunity to orchestrate functions that intelligently that it has the wisdom to do. So if you can improve that recovery process, you're improving automatically your, your quality of life. And when you have an improved quality of life, when you have a regulated nervous system, when you feel refreshed, recovered, energized, automatically all these other pillars that I'm about to mention, they're so much easier to accomplish and to do right. So for example, The next the next pillar is nutrition. If you're sleeping better, you have a regulated nervous system, you're going to make better decisions about what you eat, and you're probably going to consume less calories throughout the day. Because you're not going to be eating from an emotionally driven, you know, hyper like stress, chronic stress state. Right? You're going to be pretty intuitive. You're going to be a little more mindful about what you're eating. You're going to chew a little more slowly, increasing the surface area of food. You're going to opt for foods that are actually nutrient dense rather than the foods that appear that trick your mind, exploit the reward mechanisms of your brain to give you the impression that they're more nutrient dense. So like colored foods, processed foods, highly palpable foods, like your brain will choose that instant gratification when it's under this stress state and it just wants something. Right. It's so you're bringing more consciousness and awareness automatically your life, more energy to life. So, so all of a sudden nutrition is better. So sleep and nutrition. Great. Now you have the fuel and you have the energy and you're in the state of mind where it's a lot easier to move your body. So movement is the next pillar. Right. Um, and all of a sudden you can, you know, you can go hard, you can recover from it. You can feel your body to go hard. And you can get into that hormetic state where your body becomes stronger, faster, fitter, et cetera. And then if you got your sleep, right, you got your nutrition, right? You got your movement, right? Your mind is going to be in a pretty good place. So like, if you take care of those three things, your mind is going to be awesome. You're going to feel great. You're going to be happy. You're going to have more, uh, sensitive dopamine centers, more serotonin. You're going to feel great. Um, and so obviously, you know, there's certain, Things in each one the the bulk of each of these pillars if you think about it You can do a lot in this modern day that gives you what you would have otherwise gotten in ancient times So if you look at sleep, you know, all right What are the three best things that I believe you can do make your environment as dark as possible earlier in the day, you know try to match it to sun exposure and whatever the Sun's doing wherever you are in the world and making it cool. So as the sun goes down, less heat, cooler, a decline in your core body temperature is actually what drive, what actually initiates sleep. So yeah, melatonin accumulation gets you sleepy. Um, There's a bunch of other things that drive the need for sleep, but what actually initiates sleep is a decline in your core body temperature. So it's another thing. And then what can you do to sort of biohack this, right? Wearing blue blockers helps, not using your phone in bed because you're not supposed to get that kind of effect in bed. And also not just using the phone, but bringing any kind of responsibility into the sleep environment is going to put you in a more sympathetic state. It's going to take away from the drive for sleep. And nutrition, right? Like if you're eating organic foods, whole foods, like that is biologically consistent. No matter what you're eating, whether you're vegan or carnivore, whole food, you're gonna be better, period. You're gonna be more satiated. You're gonna have a higher thermic effect. Foods that have a higher thermic effect, so you're burning more calories, digesting the food, which contributes to your resting energy expenditure. So you're less likely to overconsume calories. For movement, if you've got those two things, those two pillars out of the way, you will move more, period. You're going to move more. You're going to walk more. You're going to feel more motivated to take the bike to work rather than the, I don't know, the Uber. There's so many other examples, right? And then your mind. Again, you do these things, you're going to feel great. You're going to be in a good, happy mindset. But then there's obviously there's, there's ways to biohack it. Like I found, for example, that my mind thrives when I'm getting a good amount of choline in my diet, alpha GPC, I supplement alpha GPC. Um, I will consume probiotic rich foods for the serotonin production. Um, there's a bunch of different things that I take that really get my mind in a good place. Because even if you do everything possible to live that biological lifestyle, the modern day always had this way of polluting you to some capacity. And so you have to find clever ways to do what you can. And it's fun. It becomes like a game and you can actually quantify this. So like I used to do a lot of data tracking So I have you know right now I'm wearing a whoop and then Garmin, but they're actually both dead I just went for a walk and I have to Sometimes look the part in case I run into whatever but uh, I'm actually not not using data right now because I used I Have I think data is a good backbone. I think it's an amazing backbone that incentivizes the right changes and You know behaviors and systems in your life to get you healthier But I have I'm now in a place where I am trying to harness more than intuition I feel like I've harnessed a lot of intuition and so I can just wake up in the morning I can probably guess within a small degree of variance where my HRV and recovery scores are at. I can kind of feel my body and I know what's, what kind of movement I should do, what I should be eating. And I like kind of doing that now. So I used to do a lot of, I used to look at data and I used to make this sort of like a game. And I used to try to measure, you know, exactly how much of these inputs I needed to get the perfect hormetic stress. Like I used to, I used to be crazy with that. I use it from time to time now, but intuition for me goes a long way. Um, And when you get to know your physiology, which is the name of my mission, again, know your physio, you realize that there's so many little clever ways, like little things that add up to have a massive impact on your quality of life. Like just the blue blocking alone, like an Amber pair of blue blocking glasses, not the clear ones, but an amp like that puts you to sleep. And by the way, I've mentioned this on several podcasts and it's always a pleasant surprise for folks that aren't aware of this, but. We're so rooted in positive reinforcement to the degree where wearing blue blockers in the beginning, all you really get is you block the wavelength of light that inhibits melatonin production. but over time you actually classically condition yourself the Glasses become the condition stimulus and so when you put them on your body knows you're getting ready to go to bed and you start to see You start to you know get even sleepier. So nowadays I put on my raw optics and within five to ten minutes I'm like just knocking the fuck out. It's incredible and And you could do this with so many different items and so many different hacks, you know So it's it's I have fun doing it. I think just about everyone can have fun doing it And yeah, those are my four pillars everything else man right now in my life. It's pretty simple I try to keep things very simple. I start with the complex. I've tested almost everything out I had all kinds of companies send me all their equipment and their hacks and their supplements and whatever and I think it's cool and But now at the point where I think a lot of that is gimmicky, I think most of what it takes to feel good, it's free and it's already in your life. You just have to know how and when to use it.

58:25 *Ryan Brown * No, I couldn't agree more. It's actually funny you mentioned, cause I have my red ones right here. Um, but, uh, it, it's actually really funny. You mentioned that, that that happens with the blue blockers and getting like tired almost immediately, because that's literally what happens to me. Like, even if it's a later than normal, Like I got back later than normal last night and I was still had my yellow ones on. But, um, the red one, I was out like nothing, like 10 minutes. It's really funny how your physiology is kind of like gets, it gets into rhythms and like everyone, I think innately kind of knows that because like for me, like I was never a breakfast person, like pretty much my whole life until I started like eating breakfast or whatever. We in debate, like if you need breakfast or whatever, context dependent, I don't always eat breakfast. But, um, But when I was trying to, it sounds dumb because I'm actually not bulky now. I've never really successfully bulked, to be honest with you. But there was a time in my life where I was trying to bulk, so I started eating breakfast. And I was like, oh man, this is going to suck because I never eat breakfast. I'm never hungry in the morning. I just started doing it. And then your body just craves it after a point because you set a new cycle for yourself. So your body is really fluid. And they're even saying that now with neuroplasticity, you can actually change your brain a lot more than people thought. They used to think that it was dead set. I'm sure this stuff that you dive into all the time. But it's super fascinating that you were talking about, as you've practiced things, tracking data had its merits, and it still does for certain goals. And I ask people this all the time. It's like, why are you tracking that? Or like, why are you worried about this? Because I found after a point of me tracking things, it was actually me being so hyper focused on it that it gave me anxiety to like, look at my aura numbers in the morning. And after a point, it's like, you just get so in tune with your body. Like, you know if you got good deep sleep and good REM, because you don't feel like crap. And once you get to that, I think that's such a beautiful place to be, because that's when you're so in tune with your own physiology. It's like, so many people aren't. So that's why I think there is value to tracking. And obviously, performance and stuff like that, it's good to track stuff, because you're trying to achieve specific goals. I think that's valuable for everyone. But the best place to be is when everything's just clockwork. And Tristan will attest to this, too. The longer you've been in the space and the more you've done, it seems like the simpler things actually get for you. You're taking less supplements. And it's just the everyday stuff, getting up, seeing morning sunlight, touching dirt and stuff. It's these little things that add up. But I don't have any crazy… Probably the craziest thing I have is I have a red light over there that I use sometimes. But that's probably the craziest biohacking thing I've ever had. But yeah, simplicity is everything at the end of the day. And it's sort of like not getting lost in the noise. And I'll kind of let Tristan chime in on this, because I know he has something he wants to say. But it's simplicity.

01:01:25 Tristan Scott Just in general. Well, it's fascinating, right? Because we've all been in this space for at least a few years. And now we've arrived at this point. Why is that the case? Because we've tried a lot of this shit and what moves the needle the most is foundational lifestyle habits that are free or no added cost. I mean, you can make the argument that like eating higher quality foods is slightly higher cost, but going outside, moving, you know, I mean, a pair of blue light blocking glasses, you don't even have to buy that. I don't even use them in the summer. I should have just don't, I don't even turn on the lights in the winter. Obviously it gets dark at like four o'clock. I'm going to have to use some more protection. Um, but yeah, it's, it's really, easy, I think, when you first get in this space to be attracted to this glamour that is pills, supplements, gadgets. I mean, it's cool stuff. It's like, wow, some of these devices can reconfigure your brainwaves or put you in a more parasympathetic state. There's all these crazy things out there. And yeah, it's fascinating. And technology has its place. probably more so for, you know, extreme cases and a short period of time, but what's going to move the needle the most for like your everyday long-term health is, yeah, they're, they're mostly free. So I I'm curious. I'm I'm obviously you've thought the same things, but do you notice that being like a trend in general, or do you think. That's just what happens after you've been in the space for like four or five years.

01:02:59 Andres Preschel Great question. I'm glad you asked that question. I don't know the answer. I wanted to actually make the transition to that point. And so you asked the perfect question. And I would say, yeah, I mean, all these free things that are already in our lives, what do they have in common is that they're easy to adhere to once you understand that they actually do have a profound effect. And when you understand that what has the most profound effect is consistency. And if you have the most, like I'll give you an example. When I was tracking my data and I was absolutely obsessed, sometimes I wouldn't charge it like before bed. And so I would literally stay up charging this fucking device. Like it's so stupid. So that's just one example of like, Like what are you doing? You know, just, just get good sleep, wake up, be a little more intuitive. Um, and all of these, you know, yeah, a lot of these things are, are, are free to do now. All right. So to answer your question, I do think a lot of people, because they already are sort of used to this instant gratification, let's say let's face it, just our phones and notifications online, like it just kind of puts you in that mindset. And so it's almost inevitable, but when you're already in that mindset, and then you look at health, because let's say, I don't know, inevitably, again, you've brought yourself to a disease state, or just a poor mental health state. Now you want the same thing, you want health, but you want instant gratification health. And so all these brilliant marketing tools and campaigns, they lure you in the direction that, all right, you want health? All right, you got to buy this product. You got to buy the supplement. You know, they're feeding off of people that are in a way desperate. So I think that, look, maybe that'll lure you in, but eventually what you'll learn is that in fact, the free lifestyle changes that you can make. And sometimes they have a small cost, right? Like eating healthier food. Let's just face it. It's not necessarily more expensive. It's that the other food that you're eating is just really cheap. Um, you know, and I know a lot of people that eat cheap food, but then they go out every night, they spend a hundred dollars on drinks and getting into the club. Right. So it's just a matter of the way that you think about this. It's a matter of priority. It's a matter of, uh, delaying gratification. And sure. Maybe you'll go into this for, for, because it looks sexy and it looks gimmicky, but I think a lot of people do. And by the way, I hope not only do that, but I hope that everyone ends up believing in the systems and in the lifestyle change. So look, I've worked with. everything from a world series of poker finalists that win $4 million payouts for playing poker, to a billionaire board member of Airbnb, to the number five female tennis player in the world, and the best Canadian tennis player of all time, to Le Mans second place race card. I mean, I've worked with all kinds of high performers and these high performers, they, they, they approach me for the data, for the gimmicks, for the hacks, you know, Oh, I want to improve by my HRV by 10%. Like, dude, no, you don't. You just want to make a feeling more refreshed and more recovered. You want to be a little sharper when you're racing your car. Um, so anyway, a lot of people do come for those reasons and I, and I, and look, I honor that. I love that. Get curious. But if you're here because you think that instant gratification, which is the root of. Evil in a lot of ways is going to help you get healthier. You're wrong. So come on in, but I'm going to show you real gratification, genuine longterm satisfaction and fulfillment. All right. So I'm going to hold your hand and we'll do it together. So hopefully, uh, So hope if there's anything that I said that's valuable in this podcast, I hope that that's it because Instagram gratification is just the absolute biggest killer. And by the way, I, this is, this wasn't part of the question, but I do want to, if I can, I want to take you guys through my phone settings to, to mitigate the effects of Instagram gratification and, and, you know, just having a better relationship and more intentional use of my phone. So maybe we can at some point transition there.

01:07:04 Tristan Scott That sounds cool. Yeah, 100%. I mean, that's the biggest issue for a lot of us, I would say. But it's so true. And I know we want to get to some other things as well. Like it's all that glamor that really does draw people in. And it's fascinating to think about the higher performers because they just, they think it's too simple to be that effective actually. I probably, and they think they're missing out on something and they need to be doing stem cells or whatever, you know, crazy thing. But in general. 99.9% of people are not they're not doing the fundamentals well enough They might be doing them like they might be going to sleep at a certain time but like they're not doing the fundamentals well enough and if they just did those like 40%, I don't know. You could call it more strict, but more biologically consistent is probably better. Then they get more of a profound effect. So I'm glad you shared that, because I think it's underrated. And especially people are always looking to the really high performers for what the hell they're doing that's super crazy or out there. If you just lived in accordance with your biology and nature a bit more, you'd probably Just better off.

01:08:26 Andres Preschel Yeah. Yeah, for real.

01:08:30 Tristan Scott But with that personal responsibility. One thing that I love that you do is spearfishing slash harvesting your own food. Um, it's something to me as a, you know, I've gotten into hunting, uh, the past year and a half and it's coming up now season really stoked about it. Yeah. Uh, elk just in general hunting season.

01:08:53 Andres Preschel Yeah. That's on my bucket list, man. Bow hunting and elk is like top tier bucket list. And I got, yeah, I just got a bow.

01:09:02 Tristan Scott Oh, dude. But who knows, but it's probably too early for a bow this year, but that's, you know, I got an elk last year. It was super stoked. First ever hunting trip. But that kind of personal responsibility of harvesting your own food is really, to me, one of the most admirable things you could do. but then the spear fishing, uh, free diving that you do, that's like, it's so bad-ass to me as well, because you're literally underwater. And, you know, we've talked to folks like Erwin LaCour talking about breath hold work and how free divers and spear fishermen, you know, you have this insane ability to go underwater, control that sympathetic response. And it's actually so great for your health, of course, being able to deal with that from a nervous system perspective. But then at the same time, you're also having to control your brain to be able to accurately shoot a target and swimming underwater, cold water. I don't know the water temperature there. Maybe it's warm. But walk us through that. Is that something you always have done? How did you get into this? What's it all about? Because I love it.

01:10:11 Andres Preschel If you can't tell by the smile on my face, I love spearfishing. And I'll tell you what, shooting fish and bringing it home and making a nice dinner, that's obviously a huge bonus. But most of the benefit and the reason why I love it is because of the adventure and the sense of camaraderie and how primitive it is to be among other people that are driven on this pursuit to like hunt. It's like, if you want to talk about evolutionarily preserved mechanisms, Like being a hunter and a gatherer. It's in every single one of us, whether you gather plants and you, all you eat is plants or you shoot elk every season, like it's inside of you. And if you can find the format that allows you to reveal and unleash that you're going to be even more human. And so I have had the chance to experience. every single emotion spearfishing. Most of that is joy and pleasure. Um, and, um, also very difficult times and well, ending up in the emergency room for two or three days and in the hospital and a close observation. Cause I had a lung trauma, harvesting a grouper 70 feet deep on one breath. Um, and spending three years paying that off. But, um, Yeah. I mean, it's, it's absolutely amazing. And like you said, you know, sometimes I, uh, when I tell people about spearfishing, I don't consider some of the things that you mentioned, which is, yeah, I mean, not only do you have to be aware of the environment, but in being aware, you have to be calm and then you have to line up a shot. Right. And it's like how, like, It's millimeters and milliseconds that make the difference. And I think that it's an environment and a way of life where I get to take everything that I know to the extreme. And I love that. I love seeing how far my applied breathwork techniques can go. not only in helping me prepare to dive down deep, but to, you know, what am I doing on the boat between dives so that I don't spend all my energy on the first couple of spots, you know, cause we were out there sometimes the entire day doing a hundred dives, you know, between 30 and 80 feet deep, you know, um, hunting fish. So it's the most intense. And then by the way, you know, you have to get back, clean the fish, carry all the gear, go back home, clean everything up. It's like, It's exhausting You're doing endurance work. You're doing strength and power. You're holding your breath There's not a lot of science behind like in every sport above You know, I'm on land you can you know Be I guess a little more intuitive about your breathing because you're not holding your breath like when you're holding your breath it just adds a whole nother layer of complexity to everything and But I'll tell you what, and this is gonna sound cheesy, and it's something that many freedivers and spearfishermen will say, when you can really harness that awareness with your body, calm yourself down and be, you know, get into that flow state where nothing else matters and you're totally present, you actually forget to breathe. And it's when you're deep in that water and you're so calm, You just, you did everything right. You're so calm. That's when the surrounding life gets curious and approaches you. So like as a good hunter, and by the way, this is true to underwater hunting as much as it is for hunting elk, you know, on a mountain, it's like when you're super calm and you're super relaxed, you're a part of that ecosystem and life approaches you. And that is something that is, there's no words to express how beautiful and how rewarding it is. And then, Hey, if you so choose, take a shot, bring that animal home and tell the story of how it all came together among people that you love and enjoy that amazing food that the universe, God, whatever you pray to or whatever you believe in provided you with. Um, so I live for those moments, man. I live for those moments and. You know, you can say, all right, well, yeah, you're traveling over the world, you know, raising your carbon footprint, going on planes to hunt. There's one fish is a trophy and putting it on Instagram, like whatever, you know, like people are always going to complain. Yeah. I burn fossil fuels to get to Panama to hunt a big snapper. But it's not about that. It's not about taking a picture for Instagram It's about having a sense of adventure in this modern day when let's face it like most of our adventure is waking up and going to work and like I Want to feel human and I'm sorry that that's what it takes to feel human nowadays Get upset about it all you want. I'm here living life and enjoying that with so many people that I love So I'm gonna keep doing it Um, and yeah, man, there's nothing, there's nothing like spearfishing. There's nothing like hunting. Um, but I think it always has to have that kind of sense of love, awareness, and appreciation for your environment, whether you kill something or not.

01:15:15 *Ryan Brown * That's cool, man. That's rad. I'm, I'm like hyped off that already. It's funny. Cause it's like, I've never really been, I've never personally like hunted anything. That's a lie. Never legally hunted anything.

01:15:28 Andres Preschel Um, you shot a squirrel in the backyard or something.

01:15:31 *Ryan Brown * Yeah, yeah, my grandparents have a cabin up in northern Michigan and we would shoot stuff up there all the time. And like my grandpa would usually make us eat it. Um, but, but there is something else to it. I actually really liked that line. You said it was like when you're underwater, sometimes you forget to breathe because that actually was a really reminiscent memory of mine. So recently Tristan, I guess recently is, is, is not necessarily recent, but Tristan was hanging out, um, up at my house one time and we have a pool and he was showing me some breath work stuff underwater, like how to relax your body and like hold your breath longer. I've, Granted, so I sucked butt at this. I was like the worst, couldn't figure it out. But it reminded me of when I was a kid, my family had a pool. And I remember distinctly there were periods of time where I would go underwater, just hanging out, swimming around. And I never felt like I needed to take a breath. And I can't say that I was under there for like minutes at a time, because it probably wasn't as long as I remember it being. But I remember being under there and not thinking about it, but I must have been so relaxed. Because I remember I was on there for longer than I could do now. And I would come up even, and I wouldn't even need to gasp. It would just be like a normal, even a shallow breath. And it's just such a profound feeling. I remember it very distinctly. It's insane. So I actually wanted to ask you a quick question about breathwork techniques and how to get into stuff like that. because obviously you've been doing really well. So what, what were some initial steps you took when you were like starting to get into that free dive and stuff? Like, what are some breath techniques that you can practice like that anyone could do? Like I'm a fan of box breathing and stuff like that, but I'd love to expand my horizons.

01:17:16 Andres Preschel Yeah. And I'll, I'll say the first, uh, that's, that's an interesting anecdote that you just shared. Um, I find that, I mean, I'm assuming that the reason why maybe tougher now is because either, Maybe you're stressed about something else or whatever. I'll give you this example. When I'm on the boat and I'm spearfishing, for me, that's a total disconnect, but I find that if I have a very intense weekend, I'm still hanging on to a lot of that stress. I'm not diving anywhere close to how I want to dive. My breath holds suck. I'm tired. What happens when we're stressed out, the first thing that goes is our breathing. There's a you know breath breathing it breath work breathing whatever you want to call it it's the most accessible way to influence your physiology because it's what gives you air or oxygen and helps you effectively run away from stressor like Our stress response is linked to running away. I mean, that's just how we Spent most of our evolutionary history. Anyway, there's a really important link between our state of physiological stress and, you know, effectively running away from that stressor because it's just something that we had to do when we were stressed out when we were, we felt like we were being threatened, you know, we could get away, we could run away. And so nowadays, what happens is we still have the same response, we don't need to run away. But we can still modify the response that is helping us run away to deal with the stress in that moment so You know nowadays we get stress and a couple things happen, you know, obviously rise in cortisol We got the fight-or-flight, you know, our pupils dilate our hands get sweaty We get you know less blood going into the core and more to the extremities repairs to get away our blood glucose levels rise so it prepares us it gives us the fuel the substrate that we need to Get away. So when we're when all this is happening when you're stressed out nowadays, like how do we survive nowadays? We have to sit on our laptops and get work done. Maybe we'll get a paycheck, right? Well, we still have the same stress response, but we're not moving. And so it's killing us. We get this buildup of inflammation. We get, you know, this glucose variability that is, that is hurting us. Our breathing goes, we start mouth breathing because mouth breathing is the fastest way to breathe. It's like an emergency breathing, but it's not the most effective. It's not the most efficient nasal breathing is. And not only is it nasal breathing, but if you nasal breathe naturally, by the way, if you're, if you isolate the rest of the body, just your, just your face nasal breathing already is going to humidify the air better filter the air better. You're going to get an increase in nitric oxide, which is antibacterial, antimicrobial, antifungal, antiviral, Um, and you start to see more of this, you know, Paris, but that activity is just to calm the nervous system. Then all of a sudden you see the rising and falling of the chest, right? And I'll make the link to spearfishing in a second and freediving in a second. If you're nasal breathing, but you're still getting a rising and falling of the chest, you're using primarily the upper part of the lungs to breathe. But the highest concentration of alveoli where oxygen exchange occurs in the lungs is actually in the bottom of the lungs. And so if you are nasal breathing, and by the way, uh, Jack, David Jacko Jackson taught me this. He's an oxygen advantage, a master trainer. When you breathe through your nose, don't just breathe into the, don't just breathe through the nose, but breathe into your face rather than up into the nostril. So if you've been to yoga class, you'll notice that the beginners, the beginner yogis, when they tell them to take a deep breath, they go. You know, that's like absolutely wrong. You want to take a shallow, slow breath into the face and it should be so soft, so, um, uh, intentional that you don't see any movement in the, in, in the shoulders or in the traps because you're using your belly to breathe. The vagus nerve goes down to the belly. It sits right below the diaphragm. And so when you belly breathe, you get more vagus nerve activity, more parasympathetic activity. And if you start to then extend the exhales on top of that, so you spend about twice as long exhaling versus inhaling every exhale, you get slightly more parasympathetic activity. Every inhale is more sympathetic. So when you inhale, you're like preparing your body to run away and you exhale, you're like telling your body it's okay. So quite literally I will do like a four, seven, eight, I think is a really good one. I forget who coined four, seven, eight, but I love four, seven, eight because you're spending eight seconds, exhaling four seconds, inhaling the seven in between is a seven second hold. When you hold your breath, It actually helps calm you down slightly. You don't want to hold it too long and you can actually build up over time. Your CO2 tolerance makes it easier, but when you hold your breath slightly, you get a cardio inhibitory effects. You actually, uh, help slow down the heart rate. So four, seven, eight, one, really? So four, seven, eight, one, meaning four seconds in seven second, hold eight seconds. Exhaling. You're exhaling so slow by the way, that if you had a candle right in front of your face, you wouldn't blow it out. Then you hold that for one second and then repeat. I typically do this the night before. If I'm going to bed and I have a lot on my mind, I'll do this breathwork technique before a big meeting or a big podcast or any kind of engagement where I feel a little, maybe a little anxious or just a little too overactive. When I'm on the boat getting ready to dive, And then in the water, there's a ton of techniques. I'm not going to get into them only because I don't want anyone tuning in or even you guys to dive, to take freediving seriously until you take a freediving course that actually teaches you the anatomy and physiology of breathing specific to that environment. Because otherwise it's an extremely extreme, I mean, even with the training, it's still objectively an extremely dangerous sport. And so what I just described is simple breathwork pattern that anybody tuning in can do to immediately modify their stress response and be a more, um, intentional about their decision-making the reaction, uh, anything, you know, because you're regulating the response. that is otherwise going to help you run away. Nowadays, we don't need to run away. We need to just deal with what we're dealing with effectively. So bring oxygen, bring energy, bring intuition, bring mindfulness in such a way that gives you that effective decision-making. And then I'll leave the rest for your free diving class. But yeah, I do a lot of this as I get ready to dive.

01:23:24 *Ryan Brown * That's cool. That's cool. One last thing I'll say, just because I thought of it during the thing when we were talking about why potentially I was able to hold my breath longer in that moment as a child. I think actually, I've noticed this a lot. As you get older, I feel like stress builds just because you have more responsibility and life starts to hit you a little bit and the reward becomes real. And what was interesting is I sort of have been trying to do this thing where I'm taking a note from Picasso who said it took him a lifetime to learn how to paint like a child. I'm sort of trying to, like, regain that free mindset of a child because that's when I remember being the most, and it's probably universal for a lot of people, remember being the most free, the most carefree, the most, like, the things that you worried about, like, seem so insignificant now. But I really try to, like, I feel like I'm really I don't know. It's finding that inner child. I feel like that's super important. I think that's like part of the journey for everyone is like sort of finding that freedom for themselves.

01:24:30 Andres Preschel Yeah. When you trust him, I appreciate sharing that when you're, when you're in the, in the ocean and you're in your wetsuit, you know, maybe you have a gun on you, you don't, uh, your fins, whatever, when you're in that environment and you see how much life there is in there, man, you become a child. You're like a child because you're just like, everything is like the biggest surprise and it's just so intensely alive. Uh, and it's so unexpected. And I think that honestly helps me get in touch with my childlike self, which I think is to your point, extremely important.

01:25:05 Tristan Scott Yeah. I feel the same way. I mean, anytime I'm kind of in the wilderness, I think you just kind of, Well, you're tuning out, like you're saying, it's a complete disconnect, which is why I value things like this camping, hiking, backpacking, hunting so heavily because it's so easy to be distracted, to be, you know, just getting assaulted for lack of a better word from all direction in the modern world, in an everyday situation. But when you have this disconnect, you can really. take in the environment that's around you. And I think, yeah, then you can turn on that, that inner child, that inner curiosity, that profound movement of how you feel when you see wildlife, when you see just scenery, like whether it's a really cool feature in the water or in the mountains. And that's awesome. But I'm curious, is spearfishing, is this something that's growing in popularity, decreasing? Is there a risk of this completely being wiped out in certain areas in a few years? Because I talk a lot about hunting in general with my friends and elk hunting, for example, in Wyoming in 30 to 50 years, who knows what that looks like. It may only be for rich people. We keep getting higher in population and animal population. If we don't change the way we manage our wildlife, our ecosystems, it's not going to be looking really great for hunters in the future. So is this something that you're concerned about? Is there like a large conservation effort surrounding spear fishing as well that's ongoing? Because I feel like that's usually the case with the good hunters is they're trying to simultaneously be conservationists.

01:26:58 Andres Preschel Yeah, that's a great question and a great topic. I'm not an expert in this topic. Frankly, I don't think I'm an expert in any topic. But I'll tell you what, I think from what I understand here in Florida, there is an important community of our food average spearfishermen. It's relatively small. I mean, I think spearfishing is still pretty small. And I think that the barrier of entry and the barrier of responsibility turns a lot of people off naturally. it's cool as it sounds, not everyone's going to do it or want to invest in it. Like, you know, when I'm, by the way, you can do it with minimal gear and spend a couple hundred bucks. But when I'm going out with my buddies, you know, we're each wearing like two, $2,000 with a year. And sometimes you end up losing some of it because you get sharked or something breaks or it falls off the boat. Um, So I think that's one barrier of entry. Obviously you either need a boat or you need someone, you need to know someone with a boat or you need to get a kayak, but even then it's still sketchy. So the community is growing. People are getting into it. It's growing very quickly now with social media, since people just want to take cool pictures. And so they want to do whatever it takes to get a cool picture. It is definitely growing. In fact, my dad, you know, he started doing this when he was about 20 years old and back then it was like Tiny tiny tiny tiny nowadays, you know, I'll go to conventions with him and well their conventions like there's thousands of people there, you know, and they love it and So, it is growing a lot, but it's still, compared to other sports, relatively small. I think that, yeah, I mean, the environment is being threatened, not just by the spear fishermen, but by all the boating and the pollution. The good thing is that I'm sure that we have this in common with, you know, people like you, you know, who are out there on the, in the wilderness hunting, you know, we are very, because we have such a deep connection with the environment. Um, we're actually very conscious of things that might pollute it. So, you know, when I'm with my Spiro friends and we see trash in the water, we will always pick it up no matter what, to the extent that sometimes it ends up being like a, it'll take us hours and hours and hours to get like a fishing net off of a reef. And that'll be like a whole day fishing like we'll come up on a like that's what that's what we'll do that day You know, so we really take that seriously Spear fishing is from what I understand and again, this is where I'm not an expert I don't know if this is a hundred percent factual But from what I understand from what I know, it's the single most selective and sustainable fish harvesting method that exists So by definition it is sustainable, but then, all right, boating around all day long is not very healthy for the environment either. So I guess, look, like I try to think that I'm conscious of the environment, but I think that right there is the problem because I can't fully answer the question to the extent of, well, what efforts are being made besides me with, in terms of policy in, you know, this local area? Like, Think that the most dangerous thing is is ignorant and if you think that you're doing the right thing But you're killing the environment at the same time. Like that's that's a real problem. So I Will actually to help answer this question better. Maybe the next time that you guys have me on the show. I can give you I Can elaborate further what I'll do is I'll have an expert on my podcast and And we'll have a conversation about it. Seriously, I mean it. Because as you can tell, it requires the right knowledge to do right by the environment. Because you may have the best intention, but if you don't actually have the knowledge, and this goes back to every conversation that we've had. If you have a good intention, but you don't have the right knowledge to go with it, you're not going to get very far. So I need to be educated on this topic. I think that FWC Florida wildlife conservation does a pretty good job. They are very strict. I've seen people like go to jail and have to pay ridiculous. I mean, honestly, not ridiculous, but impressive fees because they're just not aware of whatever's in season or what's the size limit. Me and my friends were always super conscious the best day of the year for us is May 1st, the opening of grouper and, and hogfish season, you know, so we know the sizes, we know the what's in season, what isn't, we're very aware of that. We only kill what we're going to eat. We only eat what we kill. We get one nice fish a day. That's enough for us. But there's a lot of people that just shoot whatever. They don't give a fuck. And it's a shame. But there's always going to be those people. I think eventually, and hopefully, karma bites them in the ass. But I think that there has to be more mainstream education on what the everyday person can do to improve their relationship to the environment. So yeah.

01:31:46 Tristan Scott So yeah, no, I want to learn more about, no, that's a great response. I mean, that's kind of what I was looking for. It, you know, I'm not an expert on, uh, conservation of ruminant animals, wildlife, but I know, you know, like hunting tags pay for like so much, for example, and I'm sure fishing licenses also pay for that.

01:32:03 Andres Preschel Yeah, they do.

01:32:04 Tristan Scott Exactly. So it's kind of that. Obviously, if you're trolling fish in the middle of the ocean, that's the real problem, just dragging everything off the bottom of the ground or the bottom of the ocean. And yeah, fishing nets, large-scale commercial fishing, That's where the real damage is being done. So I would agree with you. I think it's definitely a sustainable way. Obviously, there's some issues with boating. It is what it is, but we drive cars every day.

01:32:36 Andres Preschel You can't do everything perfect all the time. Exactly. I like to imagine that I'm doing the best I can, but I know there's always room for improvement. That's just my ego talking. But I'll tell you what, when we're on the boat with my friends, we're very, very conscious of what we're doing and we do our best to clean everything up.

01:32:56 Tristan Scott And you want to be, you're incentivized to, right? Like this is the whole reason that the incentives are so important, because if you do good by the environment, you know, that's going to be there for you. It's going to be there for maybe your kids, your grandkids. And the problem is when you get, you know, people. who are just paying a shit ton of money, they're just coming here one time, they don't really care, and they just want a trophy or take a picture. Those incentives are misaligned, and I think that can be said for a lot of types of hunting. But it's really cool, because not a lot of people are doing this. I think it takes, clearly, a large amount of skill training and mental fortitude. And so does other types of hunting, but then other types of hunting lower barrier to entry. They all have some expense. But yeah, it's cool because it is very decentralized to catch your own food. And that I can align with you very well.

01:33:49 Andres Preschel And my favorite cooking.

01:33:51 Tristan Scott Yes, that's what I was about to get to. It's like when you. Well, not always, because I'm sure you make some ceviche out of that to preparing. And I make tartar enzymes cook the flesh. Yeah, that's true. You're right. You're right.

01:34:07 Andres Preschel Yeah. Acidity in the lemons cooks the flesh technically.

01:34:10 Tristan Scott sharing that meal with, you know, people you love. I mean, that's like the ultimate thing right there. And, and I never get more excited than when I prepare like elk for family and friends, loved ones.

01:34:22 Andres Preschel And yeah, I have a cool story actually, um, that goes hand in hand with this, uh, conservation sustainability, uh, effort. So I, one of the best fish that I've ever shot was a big African pompano, which by the way, you, you can't get it in stores. You can't get it in restaurants. Um, you have to be three miles, at least three miles off shore to harvest one. You can only harvest one per person per day. They're very sought after. They're very rare. Uh, they're not very easy to hunt. And so I shot an incredible one and, um, the head on that fish was so big. The head of the fish was so big that we put it in the oven, just the head, took it out, and half of the meat on the head fed the three of us. We were full. We were totally full. And most people, most restaurants, what do they do? They take the fillets out and they discard the head, the tail. We had the spine, the spine of this fish was so big that we ate the bone marrow on it. We ate everything on the head. We got the fins nice and crispy, and we ate them like potato chips. I mean, that might sound nasty to some people, but it was delicious.

01:35:33 Tristan Scott I just looked it up. It looks crazy. Yeah, that head is massive.

01:35:39 Andres Preschel You guys, that's… Oh, yeah. And I'm not… That's sitting on my lap. I'm not pushing it forward. That's huge. Yeah. Yeah, but here's… Let me show you the head on that fish. And again, I'm sure I have people shitting on me. They're going, oh, he's showing his trophies, you know, whatever.

01:35:54 Tristan Scott Well, you ate it. Well, I ate them, yeah.

01:35:57 Andres Preschel That's awesome. Anyway, yeah. And look, you know, I vacuum seal it and that'll last me weeks. Like when I took my trip to Mexico, we came back, we had these like soft coolers that we brought on the plane. There's my buddy and I, we each brought back like 40 pounds of fish vacuum sealed. It lasted us months. Months. You know, no going to and from the store, uh, whatever, you know, the trucks, not only do you have to go to the store to get the fish, but the trucks bring it in or the planes from wherever else in the world. I mean, we did that one time for like, I don't know how many dinners I can even count. So that felt pretty good.

01:36:38 *Ryan Brown * Yeah. I mean, like what, uh, I mean, Tristan, you shot your elk in October last year. I had some in June.

01:36:45 Tristan Scott I mean, I have some like right now still. Yeah. I've been a little conservative, but, you know, yeah.

01:36:52 *Ryan Brown * Yeah, I can last you a long time. That's funny. I feel actually bad telling my story about killing birds and stuff as a kid, not especially hunting and conserving the land. I felt bad after I did it every single time, just so the audience. Yeah, I felt bad. But then I did it again. So I don't know. Does that make me a mass murderer? I don't know.

01:37:09 Andres Preschel I mean, there's there's times where I'm underwater and and I have a connection with the fish like. Maybe I'm hunting a particular species, but I'm so calm that it gets so curious and friendly. And I'm just like, man, I'll kill another one, man. Sometimes you have to let them go. And there's times where for whatever reason, it doesn't feel right to kill a particular fish. And sometimes I do feel, honestly, Some of my friends would make fun of me for this, but there's sometimes where I honestly feel bad. But when you're with the right people, you're there for the right reasons, you're very mindful, you're very calm, you're going to feel very good about whatever you kill and it's going to feel very good to enjoy that with your friends and family.

01:37:56 *Ryan Brown * Oh, it's definitely better when something goes to a positive use. I mean, other than just like sport per se. So I did actually have one last question here for those of you that made it this far. You're in for a treat because I think it'll be a good answer. We're talking about fish and you can watch fish if you want on your phone. on YouTube probably. And earlier, Andre, he was mentioning phone settings and the phone settings he has optimized for sleep and dopamine. So I wanted to ask you that question again, really quick, make that harsh transition.

01:38:32 Andres Preschel Yeah, I do have to run, but I'm going to take you through the settings that I have on my phone. It's an iPhone, by the way. If you have an Android, I don't know. Maybe I'll make an article for that or maybe you can go upgrade to an iPhone. No, just kidding. All right. So a couple of things. First of all, instant notifications, they're the end of productivity. So first thing is you go to notification settings. You can do this on any phone and turn off 90% of them, if not more. Like there's no and by the way, the most important ones that you need to have off our social media notifications. There is no reason why You should care if someone posts something on social media or if someone messaged you or liked your picture if you're that desperate for attention or to be on top like Like you can put that energy somewhere else Not to shit on people that have those on but like kind of to shit on them because there's no reason why you need to be Distracted if you're if you're doing something important or something meaningful There's no reason why social media should be distracting you and even one little notification could take you out of a flow that could change your fucking life, so turn 90% of them off the only things that I have on or like By the way, also this goes hand in hand with another setting, which is my, what is it called? Do not disturb. I do not disturb is on 24 hours. Only five people can actually call me and it'll go through. You can do this on any iPhone on pretty much any phone nowadays. So it's like my mom, my dad, my brother, my girlfriend, and like one of my business partners. Everybody else it just it silences the first time had to call me twice to get my attention or they have to send me a voicemail or a text message. So I have that on Go back to the notifications. I have my messages off. I Have everything except like my parking notifications because I'm in Miami Beach and if you get towed you fucked so my parking notifications and I Yeah. Like a couple other things. I don't random little, I don't know, work things. Anyway, that's, that's, that's the, that's the first one. Turn out 90% of them, especially social media. The next thing is if you unlock my phone, unlock it. It's my dog. All right. So I have this, this is my home screen. It's my business QR code, a little like journaling app, my tasks, my notes and my calendar. If you go right, it's just, you have to search. You have to manually search the app that you want to use. What does that mean? Well, let's face it. When we go on our phones, if you have like a crazy busy screen of like full of apps and stuff, you're just going to get bored. You're going to start checking everything. You're going to go, you're going to be like, why don't I even go on my phone? You know, fuck that. That should never happen. You should be intentional with this magic device that gives you access to the entire world. You can do anything you want in your life. If you have a phone, anything you want to be, anything you want to do, you can do it with your phone. So be intentional with it. So I have to manually search the apps that I want to use all of a sudden way better. All right. The next biggest thing, this is like the biggest hack of this year for me, honestly, biggest mental health hack that I've discovered all year. I mean this, I'm not making this up. This is not a paid advertisement. This is genuine. is this app called one sec. So this is the home screen there, but I'll give you an example. When I go on Instagram, it has these interventions. It makes me pause. And then when this intervention, sometimes it has me like take my finger and follow the screen six times in the past 24 hours. This says, I don't want to go on Instagram or continue. So all of a sudden you're like, wow, like I'm okay. I'm going on Instagram. You know, it's like an automatic, whatever. Continue. Why are you going on Instagram? Are you bored? Are you angry? Are you taking a shit? Are you, are you actually doing it to work? So this has some kind of weird algorithm built into it where it compares your screen time before the app and then during, and it counts the interventions. Cause when it asks, when it proposes the question, sometimes you'll deny and you go, no, like I don't want to go on Instagram. Like what am I doing? Anyway, it actually tells you how many hours you've saved throughout the week. And in my case, A ridiculous amount of hours, like, like stupid amount of hours. And let's like, all right, now I can focus on the things that actually matter. Right? So those are the top three or four. The next thing would be the night shift. So I have the night shift set up so that as soon as the sun goes down, my phone turns yellow. Even then there's still some blue wavelength. You want to still wear the blue blockers. I also have another one where if I tap three times. Shit, I'm clicking both buttons at the same time. The screen goes gray. That's another cool one. But look, the notifications, the home screen, the one sec app alone, those are enough to change your life and your relationship with your phone. So I'll leave it at that thing. If everyone does that, they're going to be, they're going to be doing at least 1% more meaningful work. And that alone is enough to change your life. It's enough to change the trajectory of your career and it's enough to change the world. I think we're spending too much time on our phones doing dumb shit. So hopefully that helps. And with that said, I do have to get going, you guys, but it's been a huge honor and a pleasure.

01:44:02 Tristan Scott Yeah, we've gone a bit over. It's perfect timing to wrap up. I think those are impactful phone tips. I just installed that app, even though I have timers, but we can always do better. I love your thought process behind biologically consistent. I love the positive You know, just energy you bring it's contagious. It's always exciting to talk to someone with similar age, similar mindset, making a difference in the space. So we appreciate you brother. And, uh, yeah, thanks for coming on and thanks for everyone for tuning in to another episode of decentralized radio. We'll catch you next time.

01:44:36 Andres Preschel It's been a huge honor. You guys, you guys are crushing it. Thank you for giving me an opportunity to share my love, my passion, my energy. I can't thank you enough and absolutely made this an even more epic day by far. So I can't wait to repost the show with my audience and give you guys a shout out and eventually have you guys on my show. So you guys can bring your love, your passion and your energy to my ideas as well. So that's all for today's show. Thank you so much for tuning in today. For all of the show notes, including clickable links to anything and everything that we discussed today, everything from discount codes to videos, to research articles, books, tips, tricks, techniques, and of course, to learn more about the guest on today's episode, all you have to do is head to my website, AndresPreschel.com. That's A-N-D-R-E-S-P-R-E-S-C-H-E-L.com. and go to podcasts. You can also leave your feedback, questions, and suggestions for future episodes, future guests, so on and so forth. Thanks again for tuning in and I'll see you on the next one. Have a lovely rest of your day.