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Barton Scott: Mineral Mastery - Unlocking Energy, Sleep, and Longevity Through Elemental Nutrition

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In this riveting episode, we dive deep with Barton Scott, a visionary chemist, nutritionist, and the driving force behind Upgraded Formulas. Barton's groundbreaking work lies at the intersection of chemical engineering and nutritional science, offering innovative solutions to the widespread issue of mineral deficiencies that plague modern society. His unique approach combines his extensive knowledge in chemical engineering with a profound commitment to enhancing human health and longevity, making him a trailblazer in the field of nutritional supplementation.

Throughout our conversation, Barton unveils the science behind mineral absorption, the critical role of minerals in regulating sleep, energy levels, and overall vitality, and the pioneering technology his company has developed to address these challenges. His insights into the depletion of essential nutrients from our soil and the consequent impact on our health are both alarming and enlightening. Barton's dedication to creating highly bioavailable mineral supplements is not just about improving physical health but is deeply rooted in his vision of enabling people to unlock their fullest potential by addressing foundational nutritional needs.

This episode is a treasure trove of knowledge for anyone intrigued by the intricate dance between nutrition and wellness, the untapped potential of minerals in enhancing health, and the innovative approaches to supplement formulation. Barton's journey from chemical engineering to the forefront of nutritional science illustrates a passionate commitment to solving complex health issues with science-backed solutions. Whether you're a health enthusiast seeking to elevate your wellbeing or someone curious about the science of nutrition and mineral supplementation, Barton's expertise and innovative perspective provide a compelling guide to a healthier, more vibrant life.

Key Points From This Episode:

Magnesium Supplementation [00:01:34]
Root Cause Guy and Minerals [00:07:29]
The Periodic Table Concept [00:10:15]
Building Blocks for Biology [00:14:07]
Personalized Health Through Hair Analysis [00:19:37]
Soil Health and Crop Rotation [00:23:37]
The Importance of Testing [00:27:01]
Testosterone Importance for Women [00:34:23]
Investing in Your Health [00:35:50]
Sleep Efficiency and Work Productivity [00:40:22]
The Importance of Magnesium [00:48:10]
Importance of Minerals in Health [00:52:29]
Manganese and Hair Color [00:57:20]
Keeping Hair Color Longer [00:58:14]

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Barton Scott: their energy probably coincided with this where they went from very dark hair normal normal color to gray very quickly and what happens is the body has these stores of nutrients and it just uses them up quickly you know and when you've when you've been pulling from those stores like bone marrow organs and then suddenly you know you're very much out of those and you only have minerals like calcium and zinc left Boom, white, quickly, you know? Because minerals are necessary for melanin. Melanin's what gives the hair color, so skin color, things like that.
Andres Preschel: There is only one supplement that I think almost everyone on this planet should be taking, and that's a full-spectrum and highly bioavailable magnesium supplement, because, well, let's face it, ever since the Industrial Revolution, our soil has been depleted. of magnesium and therefore our food is depleted of magnesium and on top of that our modern environments which are inherently overstimulating and stressful are constantly depleting our body of magnesium and unlike other nutrients this is not something that your body can produce on its own it literally needs to get it from the diet and one individual kind of magnesium alone is not enough. You actually need seven different kinds to support over 300 biochemical reactions that help regulate your nervous system, red blood cell production, energy production, managing stress and emotions, etc. And so the folks at Bioptimizers have made it very easy and convenient to add back in what the modern world leaves out. They've created Magnesium Breakthrough. Now I've been taking this for the past two years and the biggest benefits that I've seen are related to my evening wind down sessions and my sleep. I tend to be pretty overactive in the evenings, just totally overthinking everything that I do. And this has helped me wind down and get more restorative, more efficient sleep. So I wake up feeling way more refreshed, more energized, more clear, more ready for the day. And the way that I see it, sleep is upstream of essentially every other health and wellness related habit and decision. Because if you're sleeping better, automatically you're going to have more regular cravings. You're going to have higher insulin sensitivity. You can derive more of all these inputs like fitness, right? You make more gains. You gain more muscle, you burn more calories, and you wake up feeling refreshed so that you can do it again and again and again. And then beyond the fitness, you have more energy to go for a walk, to do fun activities with friends. You are less stressed, so you can socialize anxiety-free. And you're also going to be retaining, refreshing, and refining your skills and information much, much better, so you won't forget any names. And, yeah, I mean, like I said, over 300 biochemical processes that you're supporting with magnesium. Then sleep, I mean, wow, better sleep is just a better life in general. So, I found that extremely helpful on a personal level and I'm sure that you guys will find it helpful too. Your mind and body and maybe even your spirit will thank you. So anyway, if you want to get a sweet little discount off of this amazing, amazing magnesium supplement from Bioptimizers, all you have to do is visit the show notes. So you scroll down right now, takes just a couple seconds and boom, you'll have access to all seven different kinds of magnesium that your body needs. All you have to do is hit the link and use code KYP from Know Your Physio. KYP. That's all. Enjoy 10 to 22% off depending on the package you choose, whether or not you subscribe. I'm obviously subscribed because I don't even want to think about whether or not I'm going to get this essential supplement in the mail. And yeah, hope you guys enjoy that awesome stuff. And that's all for now. I'll see you guys on the show. All right, you guys, I'm here with Christian Bale. I'm just kidding. Warden Scott from Upgraded Formulas on the Neophyseo podcast. And we have a lot of exciting stuff we're going to cover today. What it takes to make an incredible supplement, all the third-party testing that really shows us what's right from wrong and what works best. I really admire his approach to supplementation, to health and longevity, biohacking and performance. Had a chance to cross paths with him now a couple times at some of the big biohacking and human performance events, and I feel very honored to have you on the show, man.

Barton Scott: So excited to dig in with you. Such a pleasure. Yeah. Yeah. Thanks. Thanks for, uh, for making the time. It's been great to meet and, um, Yeah, you know, just confident that we're gonna share some things that most people don't hear about and for whatever reason, you know, and try to make it really simple for people.

Andres Preschel: Awesome. So typically how I start these shows is my audience knows is I ask why, why do you do what you do, man?

Barton Scott: Hmm. It's a great question. And it's, it's, I would surely, there's so many other products and things that could have done that probably would have been more financially successful, uh, and, and faster. We're doing really well now as a company, but like, you know, just so many other things. And, and this was just, I think that really the short answer is necessity. Um, for myself and, you know, I, I had, I was lucky. I was, I was born to like pretty mature parents. And, um, and my, because of that, you know, my, my mom started to get really, her health started really go downhill in my late teens, early twenties. And, um, You know from that I I just jumped in I'd been Competing as a wrestler in other sports too, but because of that and the making weight and everything You just have to know about nutrition and in few sports in the late 90s really, you know, I'm 36 now 37 in September will You know really required that So that was just something that I wanted to know. I was curious, and then I thought it was very interesting. And now what I write about and think about a lot and look at patterns a lot with what we do with the hair testing, with the unique mineral approach is, You know, how does nutrition become personality over time? Because it affects energy in certain ways, mood certain ways, sleep certain ways, serotonin, you know, all the hormones, you know, are made in part by elements, right? Everything is. So, so it just became this fascinating. I'm very much a root cause guy, very practical, but I, I also like, I'm very philosophical too at the same time. So I remember thinking like, what is the, what is the planet made of? What's the universe made of? At least what's the planet made of? And, um, and so it's a mixture of like necessity and curiosity.

Andres Preschel: And how did you come to realize that minerals were part of that root cause for some of the health issues that you were enduring and how did that inevitably transform your health?

Barton Scott: Yeah, I think I actually didn't say this. That's a great question. Didn't say this about my background, which was I studied chemical engineering and Yeah, I really just wanted to challenge. I heard it was the toughest thing you could study and learn, especially a compressed time period of like four or five years. So that education allowed me to learn about nanotechnology and it allowed me to learn about all the requirements, the physics, the chemistry, the elevated math to understand how to take it. This might be boring, but we'll get through it quickly. Industrial process. For people, warning, we'll come back to this. Take an industrial process that's currently putting out, for example, like a magnesium glycinate, because that's like the best we could do based on our current evolution in manufacturing. Then take that to where our end product now mirrors the body and we're adapting to the body and throughout what I call bioharmony and not Adapting our end products, you know and and going like hey we found this magnesium You know this type this form does like a really good job of crossing a blood-brain barrier and this one's good for the muscle it's like And it's so obvious to me that one, your body's never asking for a specific, this was obvious like 10 years ago, that your body is 100% never asking for like multiple forms of a mineral. That's just like our man-made adaptation of what we have. It's kind of like looking around a playroom and going, look, we have these four types of Legos or these 10 types of Legos, let's build this bridge versus, this is how nature builds bridge and how our body will best respond let's mimic how our body responds to food and then do that and do that in a way that what i realized was essential is you know if we could get these nutrients to absorb without digestion So, I think your question was why minerals specifically and that answer is really looking at my background as a chemical engineer and then later as a nutritionist as well and realizing that these nutrients are the periodic table. And if I've only said this one other time, if a alien or a group of aliens came to this planet, um, and they, then they went, Hey, we want to help you guys. Um, so you have a list of all the, all the building blocks that build your planet. because ostensibly you're also built of these same nutrients as a race, as a civilization, as a people. And we go, oh, for sure, yeah, it's this periodic table. And they're like, so do you guys, do you use that? Do you test for that often? Do you all know your numbers and your feedback? And we go, oh, no, no, we don't really do that. And they go, why? And they go, well, we, we mainly just like prescribe drugs or we look at blood and the alien we go, oh yeah, but your blood is, is like the most critical part of your body. But that mean, what that means is. that your blood is you on your best behavior, which is something I've said for years. Uh, that just kind of came to me as a, as a download, as a realization. So they go, well, we need to impact the blood, but we don't want to test the blood, not for not for deficiencies. and we go oh well why and they're oh well isn't it obvious and we go uh no and then we go oh well yeah so it's uh you know sorry we've been doing this a little longer and you guys no big deal uh you know we we think that's really obvious and important because all of these elements build everything so you like you You guys look at macros like fat, protein, carbs. Well, guess what? They're all built of that periodic table, so you just have to test for it appropriately. And I'm like, well, how do you test? And they're like, well, the tissue. And I'm like, well, we can't really do a bone sample. Well, yeah, of course, but, you know, your other tissues, like your, your, your hair, your skin, it's like, well, we're not going to biopsy skin. It's like, well, how about just trimming some hair, you know, close to the scalp, not like from 10 months ago, if you have long hair, but close to the scalp and doing that, you know, multiple times a year. Um, And that is just a, what I'm describing is what someone like Elon would say is first principles, which he didn't invent that term, by the way. It's just like, I love that you made it popular though, because it's a right way to think logically about things. And that's really what you get trained to do as engineers. Just think kind of like an alien. And yeah, so from looking at that, I was like, well, look, drugs will obviously never get you well if they don't contain the components that you are missing. Because at one point, if we took a, you know, space elevator back to the time when you didn't have any of the issues that you have, you know, you're back at 17 and you're vibrant and you haven't even thought about the chances of not living forever. And you're like, okay, so I'm really healthy now, what are my nutrient levels of all these nutrients, and what are the ratios of those nutrients, very importantly, more so than even the deficiency themselves. So if you did all of that, that's sort of where you'd arrive today with what we do.

Andres Preschel: So you guys are looking, instead of basically adding things in because our industrial processes, so instead of looking at the industrial process and what that might give us, you look instead at biology and what it shows us that we need to live optimally. And then basically, how do you create something that your biology can best interpret as one of the building blocks to get there?

Barton Scott: So that was a series of deep insights and working in the lab and just years of chemical engineering. So the kind of things that a surgeon gets trained in, it's kind of like asking, so I'll do as best as I can to try to keep that short. I know some people won't be super interested in this, but. Um, I, I think it's interesting. And, uh, what I realized is, um, just simply that there is a, a size to everything that works in the body. And there's certain, you know, dynamics like physically, so physics and chemically chemistry. And then there's like a rate at which things happen. And then there's all sorts of interference patterns. And then you just ultimately look at what works. You model what works. And what works is our body's ability to digest, to absorb nutrients from food. And yet most people, what I realized, this is a key part of the answer is, that most people have a very faulty digestive system through no fault of their own. They've tried to do as much as they could, but you can literally be born, I believe I was, I overcame Hashimoto's, I overcame hypothyroidism, which wrestling essentially is self-induced hypothyroidism where you're extreme expenditure and low calories and things. And then I had mold, helping my girlfriend currently with that, and there's so many things. I was up against a lot, and I think the average person's up against just as much. Because once you have heavy metals, parasites love that, so then you have energy drains from that, your mood is off, they gobble up certain nutrients, they keep you from absorbing things well, or they gobble it up. So there's so many different issues there. But what I realized, so from all of this, is that if we could get the nutrient into the red blood cell, the body would deliver it intelligently, right? Why is it so intelligent? That's one of the first premises. So second is model the body and understand that. And then third was just do what I would get paid to do normally, which is develop a better industrial process. And so that took a lot of years. I had to essentially get a self-guided MBA, learn a lot, do a lot. My dad had been, among other things, an entrepreneur and had a water filtration company. So I understood how processes and manufacturing worked, how contracts worked, what incentives they had, things like that. So I was able to find different manufacturers, work with them, and ultimately get some financing and be able to have our own, not our own facility, but our own line within a facility that's unique to us in the world. And so it wasn't exactly fully inventing the wheel, but it was improving the wheel, which is still inventing, still improving. And what that allows us to do is using specialized nanotech equipment, we're able to just create a plasma out of the minerals that we offer. And that is very similar to what happens at the last stage of digestion as those nutrients go into your bloodstream. So it goes from, you know, if there's a hundred steps in digestive, in the digestive process, boom, then it goes into the red blood cell. And then voila, you know, your blood sugar improves, your, you know, your hormones, all these things through our ability to take in nutrients. And so that is what we do. I understood that the red blood cells were a certain size and that I was like, well, why is it not working currently with these other good brands that I know are like high quality? Because we could test in the lab and go, yep, sure enough, it says what it says on the label. Like, and I'm not doubting that, but what I'm doubting is the efficacy, not the quality, which a lot of people will just say quality when what they really mean is efficacy, right?

Andres Preschel: Like what's on the label is going to get into your body.

Barton Scott: Exactly. Yeah, and then so so then I started using the hair analysis that I'd already found and we started to develop like our own kit To make that easier for people so it could ship around so we could work with different multiple labs that I really like and none that I didn't and then that Provides a proof before and after so if you do a night one of our things we do is a 90 challenge before and after and a hair test and And that can go, you know, you can take care of from different places, but the. Yeah, that gives us a blueprint of what to do.

Andres Preschel: So you guys are getting the objective efficacy in terms of here's the label, and here's how it's going to work mechanistically with your biology, but also the subjective efficacy of testing your hair, which represents what's been in your blood for the past few months. And you can look at before and after in that way. are qualifying both objective and subjective efficacy, which most companies can and can't and don't do.

Barton Scott: you know, hopefully showing people an improvement, which we do in almost every case, that they take our advice, you know, which isn't only supplements. It's like, hey, you know, you need to eat foods higher, you need to eat more foods higher in potassium and low in calcium for the next 90 days. And, you know, here's some foods. And you can also choose from that list. I gotta say, hey, you have to eat Asparagus, if you don't like asparagus, we're not gonna say, hey, you have to eat meat if you're a vegetarian, you know, et cetera, right? Or dairy if you're vegan, you know, whatever it is. I believe you can have some measure of success on every diet and also that most diets, I mean, if you think about it, over 10 years, are you ever eating the same exact diet? which means really that pretty much all diets fail over time because they, you know, any given diet is sort of like taking, you know, a big wheel of every nutrient and taking only a slice of that. Because when you get on a certain diet, you invariably start eating the same like 20 or so foods pretty much. And then, yeah, so like that's gonna have good things probably for a while. And what happens is most people just do a diet long enough to have success. They feel great at the like four week mark, they're starting to feel, or three week mark, they're feeling really good. But I don't, you know, I'm not saying this is the only way to get well, but it's a crucial piece for everyone, I think. And, you know, hearing, if you've listened along this far, you probably understand why that would be.

Andres Preschel: So, yeah. And so is it, Is it true that in fact we can get a lot of the vitamins and minerals from food in this modern day? Like, is that something that people can do considering that food are typically, they can mimic our biology better?

Barton Scott: So, you know, after World War II or, you know, around that time, thanks to that, really, we started sending so many, it's really where it started, is that, You know, if you look at like testosterone, average testosterone for men and women, it's very important for women too. In the 30s, for example, it's much higher than today on average. And it's not because they're supplementing, it's because their food supply was more nutritious. And that was in part due to no glyphosate and the leaky gut that that causes. So yeah, you know, vote with your dollar, eat organic when you can. And also you still need a supplement. And the reason why is because we did these just, you know, it's like strip mining the land by planting the same crops again and again. So if you have, if you're eating onions and they're supposed to have molybdenum or manganese or magnesium or potassium in it, they might but if that area of land hasn't been turned over and over and over as it should be between crop seasons which is not you know not the easiest thing for farmers to do but it can and should be done when you get crop rotation soil resting you know like cows and the methane hoax is is like whole different conversation, but you know we had the Dust Bowl because we didn't have you know animals like bison trampling their own poop. The Dust Bowl wasn't caused by like you know a methane farce. It was caused by a lack of nutrients going back into the soil and then the animals stomping that into the soil and then that growing grassland and then rotating and you know cattle rotating crops like that's the way to do it you know if you grow draw a simple grid pattern and you go from quadrant 1 to 2 to 3 to 4 and then back to 1 you know simple things really the you know but the economics have to be there and we have to vote with our dollar again grass-fed meats and things if you're eating meat So yeah, that's really why, in my mind, those are some, at least a few of the large drivers in this. And people have to remember, too, as a side note, that if you're clearing land to grow a bunch of fill-in-the-blank vegetable, You know, like I'm all for vegetables as well, but also understanding that you're still killing things. You're still destroying habitat to do that. And they're, you know, a bunny's life, you can say is worth just as much as a cow's life. You know, who are you to say differently?

Andres Preschel: This could be wrong, but I think it's like 800 million animals die each year as a result of harvesting crops.

Barton Scott: Wow. I would love to know that stat later if I can share it with- Like small game, you know, all kinds of- Small game, small game insects and the biodiversity that comes with that is just, I mean, it's- Right, because it influences every other level of the food web. Totally. And I, and I, I get it. There's, there's different aspects to say this. I'm just providing the lead at what we're doing really is providing the least talked about and least understood aspects of that argument. Right. So yeah, no, great. That's, that's a big number. And honestly, it's probably, it's probably true or in that direction.

Andres Preschel: And so basically nowadays, we need to take an approach that considers the damage that we've done to our environment and to our own physiology so that we can live optimally because we need to be strategic about adding in the right things through the right methods with the right level of bioavailability and the right testing. And so my follow-up question is, I understand you guys have several degrees of testing, not just at the objective level bioavailability is subjective in terms of doing the hair testing, the before and after, but I understand you guys are also running, you know, clinical trials with your supplements. Can you run us through what those look like and why you deem it essential as part of your mission?

Barton Scott: Right, right. So we do, I guess what would be like four levels, right? So we, we procure ingredients from the cleanest sources that have done testing themselves and they can prove that and show us. Because again, I think literally all all these products every day Maybe 80% of the products we offer I take daily at some point in my day or a week and then that's just based on my personal like hair test results and other tests that that I'm doing and And by no means does like anyone have, like, am I suggesting that people only do inherent tests? I'm just saying that no matter, like if you're a practitioner or person that like, this is obviously, it's a periodic table of elements that we're testing for. And obviously it's a lot like trying to deny gravity is what I've realized and what I've talked about. So that, yeah, I mean, it's just essential. So, And then it just becomes well, how do you test for it effectively? What do you do about it? How do you interpret those test results? Do you have someone like a practitioner that understands how to find something like? dysregulated copper or copper hidden copper toxicity or you know things that that are cross correlated and you know, can you you know and Yeah, so many different things so the So yeah, I mean great question it what we do and what I would encourage other companies to do is Do that first step I was talking about and then second step. We we really want to third-party test not occasionally, but like every single batch and I know that that can be expensive and And it can slow the production cost down and most companies don't want to do it or even consider doing it. We do it because again, I take the products, my family takes the products. I have so many friends all around the world that take the products. you know, like we have to, we just have to do the best. It's like the only thing I'm interested in really. And, um, and then, yeah, so then we have the hair test and that proves where you are and where, you know, where you, how far you've come. And sometimes that's more just like what we saw, you know, some increase, 15%, 10, 15% increase from one hair test to the second. And you do this often, you know, like quarterly. It's what we recommend. But also it gives you a map of like, hey, the products must be working because my energy level's also not on paper, obviously. that I was able to start running six miles a day again for the first time in years. And maybe that's more than I should run in a day, that's for that person to decide, but that was like a call I had had. So yeah, you know, I love that and then we've taken even further and we we do actual third-party double blind Which means people don't know what they're taking and then we we give them a placebo to yeah as well So yeah

Andres Preschel: Sweet. And how, what, what's your sample size?

Barton Scott: Uh, it's usually over 30. That one, you know, we started with a few and then a few more than 30 and then the, everyone that finished was 31 and anything over 22 is statistically significant, um, in, in any clinical trial. And the placebo part is just an extra bonus. So. Yeah, really super proud of that to my knowledge. It's the only magnesium supplement on the market That has a clinical trial behind it and we just saw I mean amazing increases that we could go into if you want Yeah, yeah, I'd love to go into the outcomes Mm-hmm Yeah, so let's see. There's a lot. Deep sleep went up. The highs in the trial, and only 14 nights, by the way, of doing this, 14 nights, were 250% improvement in deep sleep. Which you know if if you guys listen to the show, I'm sure you know how life-changing that is for someone The increase in deep sleep, this is all from taking four capsules of upgraded magnesium and Not to like you know be salesy, but that it's just like what we did in the trial full disclosure so REM sleep went up 160% which is amazing too and But that's where memory gets consolidated and like understood and things like that. It's really, really important. And then, yeah, time to fall asleep improved and time, I really like this one, time to fall back asleep upon waking improved. And that was really significant. I don't remember exactly the numbers. And then, I mean, gosh, there's so many good numbers.

Andres Preschel: You mind if I add a little bit real quick? I want to say, so how did you guys test the sleep? Was it with some kind of clinical grade wearable?

Barton Scott: Yeah, we would use a wearable. And, you know, wearables are awesome. You can use different ones. What we understand with a wearable is that as long as you get a baseline beforehand, which we did, then the accuracy of that wearable is really strong. So with HRV, for example, that improved too. HRV is 99.4% accurate with 99.4% with a Oura ring. So that's what we went with. We had the eyes, like we knew it'd be easier for people to wear that than other things. So we bought everyone Oura rings. And again, we had like no participation trial whatsoever. They didn't know, who was running the trial, what they were taking, nothing like that. They just knew they were taking a pill that looked just like the placebo pill. And yeah, no bottle, they don't see anything. So it was really, really cool. It was my first time to go through that, and that was an interesting process. We actually have this, and we can talk more about that too, we're almost done with our testosterone and fertility improving trial because so many people, I realized last year, were struggling with fertility. And I had already made this product because, again, I needed it. I didn't want to go on TRT or anything. And my testosterone was really good, but I was able to move it up significantly. About, I think, 200 to, like, 250 to 300 points. And then, which is awesome, because it was already, like, you know, 750. That's life-changing.

Andres Preschel: Yeah, it really is. Low, moderate, or high, that's a life-changing number.

Barton Scott: It is definitely also your libido and your ability to build muscle. The fun stat that I actually didn't know until a couple of years ago I was really surprised by and maybe you know this but so I'll ask you just so that the audience can ask themselves this question What ratio of testosterone to estrogen do women have in the body? Is it like 3 to 1? Oh, it's actually more. It's more. So it's actually, you're looking at at least 10 to 1 in a healthy female. And as high as, I've seen as high as 38 to 1. And that's testosterone, more testosterone than estrogen. So knowing that, is that, is testosterone important for women? And the answer is, of course, unequivocally yes. Now why that isn't more widely known, I couldn't tell you, but it's very important. And, and, uh, you know, you see women become a lot more clear, a lot, a lot of clarity is something I always shoot for in my life and with low testosterone for men or women, men and women both need it. I'll just say that. And it's, it's like you, Yeah, you don't really have a chance of living a good life if your testosterone's not at, like, really good. Not if you're optimal, which is, you know, obviously what you're listening to this show for, I would imagine. Yeah. Um, you know, things are, if you're listening to the show, things are already probably pretty good in your life. We all have problems. We all have things that we're working on. We all have, you know, some improvement in really every category, right? That's the game we're playing. It's a beautiful game. Uh, and it's really tough at times too. And it's, it's taken me a long time to become as healthy as I am now. And there's still things I work on and, um, I mean, there's a lot to do and things don't really stay fixed. But you do improve and you get, I really believe, I mean, listening to a friend's podcast just this morning, it's like, you know, it really, and this was like a life and business podcast, but it was very much acknowledging that the biggest return on investment you can make is in your health. And if you get your health right, then suddenly the investments you're making and the work you're doing, the money you're earning and the lifestyle you have, all of it gets better. Your relationship gets better. But when you think back to any time you've had an argument with a spouse or intimate partner or anyone, it usually happens when you're tired. And it's because you have, now imagine you're tired all the time. Okay, now imagine that you're not tired all the time and you actually have abundant energy, like boundless energy, then things get a lot better. So, and you age more slowly per year is something I've been able to get my number down really low on, which I learned recently is like really good, really, really good number. And that's been, you know, made more well-known thanks to people like Ben Greenfield, Brian Johnson, who both spend a lot more than I do on my health. And I'm a couple years younger, but I actually had a lower, you know, methylation age, which is super cool. I'll probably jump into that study you're into now and see how those specific tests are working too. I did something really, really similar. Actually, it may have been the same exact one. I'll have to double check, but they're measuring the same things for sure. Yeah, so there's a few things that people can think of and take from that, I imagine and hope.

Andres Preschel: And I want to add in that, you know, it's like most people get crap sleep and most people have very, I think just with the constant bombardment of like blue light and scrolling on social media and all this instant gratification, we have chronically low levels of dopamine and we're, we have torsosyndromic dopamine. And we don't get the sleep we need to then replenish it and sensitize the neurogenic centers. So it's like, how do you expect people to overcome some of the biggest hurdles in their life where there's so much to gain? And some of those hurdles can be the difficult conversations you need to have to make a breakthrough in some kind of personal or romantic relationship, right? Because you need to have motivation to have that conversation and to overcome the thing that you're pressured about. And we can obviously expand on that. But I want to quickly return to this study on the sleep with magnesium, if it's all right. Because I definitely want to show people the efficacy here. And so I have a couple more questions for you about that. So three questions. Number one, who are the subjects? And did they include females? Can you describe what it's like? And then another question is, you mentioned this 250% increase in deep sleep. And I think it was like 116% or 160% increase in REM. But does that like, how does that, cool, so is that like for every hour that they slept or like what if, like did this cost people to sleep more, right? Because if I sleep now, if I sleep for a minute, it wastes as long.

Barton Scott: That's a great question. No, no, no. So this was, you know, people were just like naturally, you know, in both cases, sleeping to whatever they were doing before. So we, you know, they,

Andres Preschel: You spent less time awake, essentially.

Barton Scott: Yeah, they spent less time awake, so their sleep efficiency went up as well. So that's a really important thing to mention, yeah, is sleep efficiency went up.

Andres Preschel: So like my- So never for every hour you spend in bed.

Barton Scott: Yeah, so my business partner started doing this and he's like, man, I'm only sleeping like seven and a half hours now. I used to sleep like nine. And it's like, I'm up, yeah, because I'm going to bed pretty early. I'm up early, you know? And I'm like, what? And he's like, but my deep sleep and my REM sleep are both good. I'm like, how do you feel? And he's like, I feel great. I'm like, good. Your workday just, or your day just started earlier. Congratulations, you just got back. An hour and a half of your day every day for a year is a huge number.

Andres Preschel: And feeling better, not just getting that time, feeling better, the waking hours.

Barton Scott: Yeah. And then spending less on coffee and time to make things. You can still do all of that, but not neat, like having something and not needing it as freedom, you know? So having the coffee, but not eating it. You know, it's just a- Let me actually calculate. Let me see. We take one point- Not having to do nootropics versus like, you know, needing to. So, yeah.

Andres Preschel: Let's say, for example, you're saving an hour and a half of sleep per day. Every day for the next, let's say, I don't know, 50 years.

Barton Scott: 10 years. Three, six, five.

Andres Preschel: 50 years, yeah. Times 50 divided by 24. You're getting 1,140 days back. And if you divide that by 365, that's how many years?

Barton Scott: Probably like 3.125 years.

Andres Preschel: That's three years of your life by getting one and a half hours of sleep less per day because you don't need it. You don't need it. Efficient.

Barton Scott: Yeah, it's wild. So the numbers from my friend Natalie Jo, who has a big following online, she knows a lot of great brands. She was actually taking a magnesium supplement. By the way, the forms totally don't matter. I think if you've listened to this before, you probably get that. But I'll just say that again, because I know for the last 10 years, if you've been in health, you've been told one form is good for this and that. And don't get me wrong, that for other supplements is true. For ours, it's not necessary. We can literally put any type of iodine or magnesium or anything through our process, and we get what we're looking for, which is a plasma that absorbs without digestion. And then we put that in either a liquid or a capsule. So the thing with her is that she would get 16 minutes on average of sleep per night. That was her normal baseline. And in five nights, 16 minutes, yeah. And a ton of REM sleep. So she was in bed for like 11 and a half hours on average per night, and her husband hated it. And Natalie would go, and we have screenshots of all this stuff, probably on the website or somewhere else. she actually just told me this morning she's gonna do a testimonial video, which I had kind of forgotten about this, but 11 and a half, I just looked at it recently again, so 11 and a half hours, she went down to about seven and a half, or no, six hours, she went to six hours and 47 minutes, I remember. And the savings worked out to 3.77 hours per night, times a year is whatever that is. You're looking at like over 1,000 for sure. So 3.77 times 365, whatever that is. And by the time she was like 70, she was gonna save like three years. By the time she was 90, she was gonna save like 6.6 years, something like that. Yeah, a huge amount, enough to be able to take a vacation, you know?

Andres Preschel: Yeah, that's 57 days a year. That's insane.

Barton Scott: Exactly, 57 days a year. That's what it was, yeah. So 57 days a year divided, I mean, like you could look at how many weeks that is, how many hours, you know, it's just keeping you quantifying. Yeah, the you get the idea a huge difference literally She just started taking again what we decided to do at the trial on four capsules night, which is not even a huge amount. Oh Yeah, you could take more because our with any of our supplements they're absorbed, you know fully so you're you don't have to worry about like diarrhea, for example, because they're like I've literally never had diarrhea now and For people that are really backed up, you may need to go to the bathroom and get rid of, people talk about doing a detox. That's a detox. You're not reabsorbing your poop. And that shows in your skin quality, et cetera. People will say, hey, you have good skin. What do you do? And it's like, besides eating Twinkies, really, it's just minerals. And Twinkie part is not true.

Andres Preschel: And and all the other things right getting good sunlight moving But you know it's hard to have the energy to move when you don't have your micronutrients dialed so yeah, and what were you saying earlier about the different kinds of magnesium like Is what I don't know if I got this right, but yeah basically with your process Are you able to provide the body everything it needs through one type is that where you meant to say I?

Barton Scott: Yeah, because it's what we're, you know, we have to put something on the label, but what we're essentially doing in the case of, say, magnesium is we're taking pure magnesium, we're making a plasma out of it using our process, and that plasma is absorbed fully, you know, and you're ingesting this. You can put it in your water. Please don't do it straight and, you know, tell me that it doesn't taste good. Read the label. Put it in your water. Like, you know, be an adult. Put it in your water. Read the label. So especially when we spent years and years and years working on this So or just take the capsules if you can't handle it, but the the liquid stops I mean, I find that it stops my own leg cramps on long flights Because of dehydration like within a couple minutes and it does a revolutionary job on Lady cycles to like, you know, if you have bad cramps There's some reviews on the site you could check out Yeah, so that's, that's a little about that. But yeah, I mean, again, it goes back to this ideas, you know, the the idea of has your body ever asked for multiple forms of any nutrient when it gets food? And the answer is no. So I just, and that's something I thought of a long time ago and we just modeled, you know, I just thought that, yeah, that must be the way to go. And it, you know, the results show on your hair test and they show in a clinical trial and Yeah, so feel good about it.

Andres Preschel: I'm really so I haven't had the chance to try your magnesium just yet I have it and I'm gonna start trying it as Of this week and maybe we can have you back on a show to discuss where the results are not what I'll do though I'll wear my whoop. I mean, I'll do it on or no media pay that it has because my sleep is really standardized My station is pretty standardized I had been taking magnesium breakthrough bio-optimizers. Most people know about it because I had mentioned it on the show all the time. It has seven different kinds. It has manganese and B6 for the bioavailability. So now I'm like shocked to hear that in fact you don't even need all the different kinds. You just need one kind that your body can intelligently fulfill all these three biological processes.

Barton Scott: Totally, actually, and there's over 3,000 enzyme functions now that we know of that magnesium's needed for, in addition to making cellular energy in all of your cells that have mitochondria, so pretty much all, except for blood cells. So yeah, so that's a thought too. That's super important to understand is that with upgraded magnesium, we're able to deliver that. It's just like food. I mean, now I've created a similar product called Upgraded Cramp Relief. And just because most people don't understand that magnesium would help with cramps, But it helps with any, so if you have any muscle that is cramping, it needs to relax, and that's how you get rid of pain, which pain, look, one thing that I've become really clear on is that both pain and symptoms, which pain is a symptom, right, are allies. They are allies, and we need to treat them as such. But when you have a cramp, you just want it to go away, I get that. Um, and the, the only way I was able to get my dad's chronic leg cramps, he's had magnesium deficiency for, for years because, you know, he's raised in a different era. I didn't always have this company. Um, and he didn't always take my advice. You know, his parents tend to not do, even though everyone that Well, the world does. Yeah, but now he does. He doesn't have cramps anymore. He got off the Robanol that he was taking and yeah, you know, that was his choice, but he ultimately realized he didn't need it, so. Because you don't want to turn the signals off on your pain and symptoms. You want to fix them, right? You want them to be your allies in understanding what to work at. If you get triggered by something, that is your homework. That's what to work on and not to go, oh, I don't want to be around people to trigger me in this way. Believe me, look, if other people aren't triggered by that, that could just be an opportunity to work on that thing. But similar concept, different discussion. But more energy, more health allows you to work on those other personal growth things a lot faster, I've found. Because you just have more energy. So yeah, that's really important. Look, if your sleeps are really dialed, I'm sure you'll have improvements. I don't expect you to have that massive improvement like that, but most people, unless they're consuming alcohol right before bed or they're eating right before bed, if their deep sleep is not at two hours, and we pretty much, we get most people about two hours of deep sleep. even if they don't have great habits, you know, like sleep in a dark, cold room as a basis, as a free hack, you know, and quiet, you know, use a air purifier and use that noise from that. You know, just these things are pretty low cost and we try to keep costs low too for people and, you know, I think that's really important to understand, but stacking some wins when people have real dis-ease of any type, you still fix the cell to get well. as my friend Dr. Pranpa says, and I say something really similar, which is, you know, if the cell makes energy and then it, you know, because it has the raw materials it needs, it will take the trash out well as well. So it will detox well. But you need things like boron to activate vitamin D and you need things like boron to reduce your sex binding globulin and increase your free testosterone. So, you know, these elements are essential and the Nobel Prize winner had said a while ago that without minerals, vitamins are useless. It's because of the activity, you know, and how they interact in the body. But ultimately, when you take it really far out, really deep, something that no one ever talks about is that these elements build vitamins too. So there's a lot of intricacies and interesting things that happen in the body that we don't that no one fully understands, I really believe, right? You take a combination of elements, which by the way, all of your food is just a combination of elements, right? Then somehow the body just does what it needs to do with that if you're healthy. And it literally helps anyone with diseases of any type too, you know, as well. So, yeah, I mean, again, there can be other things that you can definitely work on as well. It's just, hopefully, what you're hearing now is just like, this is key for everyone. It's unavoidable. It's a lot like gravity, really. We just, the only difference is we don't understand the effect of it and it doesn't happen quite as rapidly. I mean, thankfully, because like, Yeah, we wouldn't have very long to figure it out.

Andres Preschel: Can you imagine if being deficient was as simple as jumping up and down and seeing the pull of gravity, like being deficient all of a sudden had an immediate impact that was so clearly visible that that was the one thing you were missing in your body to feel and perform your best?

Barton Scott: That would be spectacular, yeah.

Andres Preschel: Well, it wouldn't, it wouldn't at the same time, you know? Right. Right, right. Nick, can you tell us a little more about manganese and why it's not as simple as magnesium spelled incorrectly?

Barton Scott: Yeah. So manganese, I'll tell you a fun story from Tim Gray, who has Health Optimization Summit in London, where I went and spoke a couple of years ago. You know, he did something that I thought was really cool. So he understood that he had a certain genetic thing, which, by the way, elements are safe for everybody. You need them. It's just like getting something from your food. But he realized that he could take manganese. He did this for both he and his mom. They both started taking manganese. And they took like pretty high doses of it. And he was able to raise his core body temperature for the first time ever and just feel a lot better. And the reason why is because manganese acts on one of the SOD pathways, one of the SOD pathways. It's a tough word to say, but it's super oxide dismutase. And that pathways, I mean, it's just, it scavenges free radicals and it can help you with fighting diseases and things. So it makes you a lot more resilient. This also everything we're talking about helps with bone Deficiency diseases which are all related to mineral deficiencies and the reason why and this goes back to why blood is a very you know imperfect way of looking at deficiencies is is the way it works is for your body to maintain your blood pH at a certain level despite your stress and your drinking, your working out, all these different things. Some of them even being good stresses. like movement is that it pulls from areas that it has to like mineral deposits in the body and one of those deposits is bone and bone marrow so you can imagine how and why most people as they age get what more and more brittle bones less and less dense which you can see through a DEXA scan and other scans And you can see where you're at. If your bone density is really, really good, I mean, just like for any age, if you're 35, 55, 85, 25, whatever it is, if you have the bone density of like a 20 year old, you must be doing something right. And that'll allow you to just be a lot more resilient in life. This is a side note.

Andres Preschel: Yeah, I had no idea that manganese influenced SOD and the influence of… Bone as well. Yeah, the bone marrow also. Yeah. It's really fascinating. And so do you guys, how did you guys prepare the manganese? Is it similar to the magnesium?

Barton Scott: Right, so I'm not sure if I caught that question, maybe you could say that again, but for sure we could talk about manganese and hair color too. Oh yeah. And copper as well. Okay, yeah. Yeah, the influence of hair color, bio-manganese, copper. Yeah, so these are dark minerals when you look at them. When you look at zinc and calcium, those are white minerals. These are dark minerals on the other hand. Minerals in general though, a whole array of them, right, is what's giving your hair color. And that's one of the outward signs that the body has plenty of energy. Going gray is a sign that the body is running out of energy, just full stop. So it doesn't mean that the person won't be very energetic. They may be very fit, they may have tons of energy, but the body's really running on red and they're close to collapse. And they're probably supporting it with, you know, eutrophics, different things like that. So what you want to do is support, that's okay if that's you, you can still support the body with nutrients and you can in some cases, there's a certain percentage of people that do see their hair color return in total or in part. And it doesn't mean that anyone won't go gray at some point, but you're definitely improving your chances of keeping hair color longer. And it's just a sign of keeping your energy because what happens when people, and this is also interesting, what happens when maybe this has happened to you or you know someone that was this way, their energy probably coincided with this, where they went from very dark hair, normal color, to gray very quickly. And what happens is the body has these stores of nutrients and it just uses them up quickly, you know? And when you've been pulling from those stores, like bone marrow, organs, and then suddenly, you know, you're very much out of those and you only have minerals like calcium and zinc left, boom, white quickly, you know? Because minerals, you know, minerals are necessary for melanin. Melanin's what gives the hair color. skin color, things like that. And I don't really hear anyone talk about that, but it's very important and it's something you can test for, look at it, and ultimately reverse at least to some extent if you're like most people.

Andres Preschel: And so, you know, we've covered a lot of ground today, and I'm really grateful for so much of your experience and your time and your presence here with me today, and really admire the approach that you guys take to give the consumer the best product, objectively and subjectively. And before we conclude here, I have one more question, and then I look forward to having you back on the show, say, maybe two weeks from now, when I have the data. the support. Yeah. Majority would do supplements.

Barton Scott: Um, for sure. We also have a 14 night sleep challenge. It's totally money back guaranteed for people if they want to, you know, do the four capsules.

Andres Preschel: Let me, let me do that. Let me do some of that. I'll definitely, definitely follow the, uh, the protocol. Do you want us, is this something I could find on your website?

Barton Scott: Yeah, so there's a banner on the site that's scrolling, and one of the banners says, you know, 14 nights, 4 capsules, are your money back, something like that. And that's, what that really is, is it's our 60 count, our larger size of upgraded magnesium, and taking 4 of that, 4 of those per night will be enough to get through that. And we just ask that people look at their sleep, not subjectively, but objectively with a tracking system, right? I have to say that part. You definitely are. Some people will notice that they felt really good. What we find is, unfortunately, a lot of people will feel better, and then they'll just go, oh, well, it was like this other thing. And it's like, but that was the only thing you changed in that period. So try to make it done in a way where you're only changing one variable at a time, which is the scientific method at work, right? Change one thing, look at the results, right? Which you're great at. And I think, yeah, I think your audience will love that. And it's really cool to see that transformation and to feel it.

Andres Preschel: Wonderful. And one last question for you. So if you could put a word message or phrase on a billboard somewhere in the world, what would it say? Where would you put it?

Barton Scott: Hmm. That's a great question. Love that. I think about that for a sec. Yeah. I would say it's up to you. It's up to you.

Andres Preschel: It's up to you?

Barton Scott: And where would you put it? In every major city, in every rural area, as widely everywhere as possible. So anything that had the greatest distribution. probably like anywhere where people maybe feel, you know, um, any sort of like loss of hope or, you know, victim mentality or both, you know? Um, yeah, I'd probably, I'd start by putting it probably in the poorest areas.

Andres Preschel: Well, yeah. Thank you so much. Very wonderfully said. Yeah. Thank you. It's been an absolute honor and pleasure, man. Thank you so much.

Barton Scott: Such a pleasure as well. Such an honor. Yeah. Thank you. Yeah. Thanks for the time. Thanks for listening. Um, thanks for having me on. Thanks for doing the challenge and looking forward to more.

Andres Preschel: Yeah, I'll make sure to link to upgraded formulas and your personal pages here in the show notes so people can get access to all that stuff. And if you have maybe links to the studies or anything that they can, so you can explore those a bit as well.

Barton Scott: Yeah, we can definitely give a link. We should have a banner on the site, too, to the clinical trial for the magnesium. The testosterone trial will be done soon. And then people can use code KYP. I made that code for you guys, for listeners of the show. So you guys will get, let's do 15% off, I think. Nice. Awesome. Just because I can, yeah. Beautiful. Thank you so much. get some easy wins and you know, if you have a great, all I ask is if you have a great experience, please tell the people we care about.

Andres Preschel: Thank you, man. Really appreciate the generosity.

Barton Scott: Yeah, thank you.

Andres Preschel: We'll look forward to playing around with those. Much love. So that's all for today's show. Thank you so much for tuning in today. For all of the show notes, including clickable links to anything and everything that we discussed today, everything from discount codes to videos, to research articles, books, tips, tricks, techniques, and of course, to learn more, about the guest on today's episode, all you have to do is head to my website, AndresPreschel.com, that's A-N-D-R-E-S-P-R-E-S-C-H-E-L.com, and go to podcasts. You can also leave your feedback, questions, and suggestions for future episodes, future guests, so on and so forth. Thanks again for tuning in, and I'll see you on the next one. Have a lovely rest of your day.