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Jon Laurie: Embracing Authenticity, Curiosity, and Self-Discovery - Water Wisdom, Health Optimization, and the Journey to Selflessness

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In this thought-provoking episode, I am delighted to have Jon Laurie join me, a luminary in the exploration of personal growth, holistic wellness, and the nuanced art of living a life aligned with one's authentic self. Jon, with his insightful perspectives and rich experiences, engages in a deep dive into the realms of curiosity, self-discovery, and the pivotal role of water and health optimization in achieving a balanced and fulfilling life.

Our conversation reveals Jon's journey through the challenges and triumphs of nurturing a genuine connection with oneself, underscored by his commitment to authenticity and the pursuit of personal well-being. He shares his wisdom on the transformative influence of water, not only as an essential element for physical health but as a symbol of fluidity and adaptability in our personal lives.

This episode is a must-listen for anyone seeking to deepen their understanding of how to live more authentically, embrace the journey of self-discovery, and integrate holistic health practices into their daily lives. Jon's expertise and passion illuminate a path toward not just surviving but thriving by being true to oneself and mindful of one's impact on the world. Join us as we navigate the intricacies of cultivating a life that reflects our truest selves, enriched by wellness, curiosity, and a profound connection to the elements that sustain us.

Key Points From This Episode:
Balancing work and play [00:05:34}
High school escapades [00:10:30]
Embracing authenticity and joy [00:14:07]
Embracing silliness in life [00:16:10]
Morning sunlight for health [00:20:54]
Regenerative agriculture [00:25:49]
Community frisbee and walking [00:29:44]
Water filter recommendations and contaminants [00:33:30]
Water filtration systems for health [00:37:31]
Water contamination and bioaccumulation [00:42:39]
Be the anchovy in life [00:46:07]
Experience real darkness [00:51:24]
Pen pals and postcards [00:54:27]
Inspiring others through caring [01:00:00}
Authenticity and Courage [01:02:22]
Selfishness in health optimization [01:06:14]
Stay curious and keep doing the work [01:09:14]
Finding valuable podcast resources [01:13:23]

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Jon Laurie: All right. I gotta be, I'm going to be running around a little bit though. All right.

Andres Preschel: You can keep it off.

Jon Laurie: All right. I don't have a fancy setup like you. Not yet. Someday. I forgot the surfboard background. That requires me to get up. Nice. That's a good corner. They don't get that today.

Andres Preschel: All righty, well, anything goes. Ask me anything.

Jon Laurie: And so funny because we're probably seven weeks in, eight weeks in. Yeah. I've asked you so many good questions. It's funny to see the first Q&A we had that flowed so naturally. That was such a good, like, that was a podcast episode.

Andres Preschel: Yeah, I have it all recorded. I'm actually turning a couple of them into podcasts because they're just so good.

Jon Laurie: Yeah, that was good fun. That one is relevant to this module, too. We're talking about movement and part of that was like the idea behind moving too much or pushing yourself past your limits to find out what you're capable of, which could be important but can also result in injury. A good starting question. Opening question for Andreas. So you're 26 years old? Yeah. If you could talk to your 16-year-old self, what would you tell him? Holy shit.

Andres Preschel: What was I doing at 16 years old? That was 10 years ago. Wow. I was in fifth grade. Was it not 5th grade? What am I saying? No, I was… You were 16.

Jon Laurie: 10th grade. You were the oldest 5th grader.

Andres Preschel: I was in 10th grade and that was… Let me just try to paint the picture of what my life was like back then. I was in 10th grade, so I had just started taking some AP classes. I think I was taking AP Chemistry, Advanced Placement Chemistry. I was taking, not AP Bio at the same time. It was AP Chemistry, maybe Environmental Science. No, it was AP Chemistry a little more. I don't know, maybe like Calc. I don't know. The point is back then when I was in high school, man, I was part of a very particular student demographic we were like the the cool nerds like we were we were like super fucking nerdy and extremely competitive when it came to school um in like a in like a semi-casual way that's which sounds like counterintuitive um or like these two things i mean I'll put it like this. There was a very, very strong, unspoken competition when it came to school. We weren't full out nerds. We weren't totally introverted and whatever, but we were very nerdy. We'd get together during lunch and we'd talk about what was going to be on the exam and we'd go through examples. We'd quit each other. We'd go nuts. But then when it came time to like go out and party, like we partied pretty hard. And honestly, I think back then it was a pretty good balance of like work hard, play hard. Um, whereas nowadays I almost feel like, well, currently I feel like I'm doing more working harder than playing hard. Um, and back then I was at the tail end of like Adderall, uh, abuse. Um, let's see, did I have a girlfriend back then? I think I may have had a girlfriend. I think I started dating my girlfriend then. Um, anyway, very long-winded way of saying that life was very different and my priorities were very different. Um, Actually, I take that back. My priorities were different in the sense that I kind of had to play along with the school system that didn't really work for me all the way. And that kind of took away from the things that I really wanted to do. But the things that I really wanted to do then are still the same things I really want to do now, which are like. level up in life, play video games, do a lot of fishing and a lot of exploring. The reason why I played a lot of video games back then was because it was my way of exploring and interacting with a lot of people from all over the world. doing whatever I wanted to do, when in my life, my day-to-day, I didn't really get the chance to do that so much. I had an incredible childhood. High school was extremely fun. But it was also very challenging in some ways. And so, anyway, what would I tell my old self? I would say, ah, this is gonna sound so boring. I would really, I would genuinely say, keep having fun. Like, just keep having fun. And while you're having fun, just don't no judgment just like just have your fun and um keep being a fucking clown like dude we my friends and i were fucking clowns in class nerdy clowns no bro we were actually i'm gonna tell you a story you're not gonna believe this story. Especially our senior year, I guess this is beyond the 16 year old range, this is now 18 years old, just to kind of paint the picture of how fucking crazy we were back then. One of my last few classes of the day was this AP government and microeconomics class and everybody hated that class. Like it was so boring. Um, and I used to sit in the very back of the class head. It was on the first floor. So you could kind of like open the window and mind you, my, my senior year, my backpack was like one of those like kindergarten five-year-old backpacks of like a dinosaur, like a T-Rex. It was hilarious. I'd wear that every single day to school. And so I opened up the back window and I didn't want to be in class anymore. So I opened up the back window, I put my backpack outside and I asked to go to the bathroom. I ran outside of the building, picked up my bag, ran out of the school, got in that car, drove away. My buddies told me that like, they didn't know what I was doing. No one knew what I was doing. At one point when my buddies glanced out of the window and you just saw a kid with a little dinosaur backpack booking it. We are, dude, we were like, bro, my school was, it had one of the best AP programs in the country, one of the best advanced placement programs. So like those were really advanced level classes for, um, you know, for, for, for students that wanted to be on the cutting edge and really challenge themselves and get prepared for college and also get some college credit. So, we had this unspoken competition of who can take on the most AP classes, pass the most AP exams. Bro, I was never a good student. I never did my homework. I wouldn't really study for exams. I somehow managed to get really good grades on exams, but my homework, because I never did my homework, my grades went way down. My grades were not good at all in high school. Except I was like in the 99th percentile for the ACT, for example, got a perfect score in the math section. And then when it came to my AP exams, I did quite well. So I got like the highest award for the AP exams. But the reason why I'm describing this is because, you know, on the, you know, The contrast was in like my day-to-day having to do my tasks for school. And so going to school for me wasn't so much about learning, it was more so like just something to do and having a lot of fun with my friends. Everybody that I knew, all my friends were there to have a lot of fun. We would study when it really counted, but most of us were just there to like laugh at each other and have a really good time. Honestly, like I was one of those people. So I have zero regrets. Back then, I always thought to myself, man, what if my professors are actually right? What if I'm going to amount to nothing and just not get a good job? I was the kid that the teachers sat next to them in class because I was so terrible. I'm not even kidding you. I would sit next to the teachers. I was so bad.

Jon Laurie: No, you weren't bad. They just were drawn to you. They just wanted to be close to you.

Andres Preschel: You misread the room. I'll tell you what. I'm going to tell you what. I did have a way to like, I did charm a lot of my professors. Yeah, same. Like I was a charming guy, but I was also, I was a motherfucker. I was a motherfucker, for sure. For sure, for sure, for sure. And so I would just tell my 16-year-old self, like, dude, just keep having your fun. This is all bullshit. Like, I did learn a lot of really amazing stuff in high school. I did make amazing friends. But I think what I learned most of all was that you have to have a balance in life where you get to be yourself. I saw a lot of kids that would just sacrifice everything for their grades and now they live a life that is almost identical to that. Like they have no life outside of their work. And yeah, I'd said earlier, you know, nowadays, like right now, specifically right now, like this Q1 2024, I'm so busy that I just do mostly work and don't really get to play so hard. But dude, my work is play. My work, I design my career. I get to do whatever I want every day and it's still my work and I'm still working a lot. And so I see a lot of people now that, not to say that it's an issue to go into corporate or to have a regular job, not at all, not to say that entrepreneurship is for everyone, but I think that no matter what it is that you do or how you spend your time, you should always find a way to really embrace your authenticity and the things that bring you joy, because there's nothing better than that. No job can pay you better than that. No job can give you more freedom than the freedom to be yourself. which is something that you have to choose. And so I would tell myself, keep embracing your authenticity, your freedom, the things that bring you that joy. Because if I had dismissed that, if I had listened to my teachers, if I had listened to my peers, I would have just turned out to be, honestly, man, probably in med school, a very rewarding career, extremely rewarding, but I would have had to sacrifice a lot of my health while being in authenticity to be there because that's what the Adderall, for example, was positively reinforcing, what everyone around me was positively reinforcing and what my family was reinforcing. But at the end of the day, it wasn't a complete, it wasn't totally aligned. So I would just say, keep having fun, man.

Jon Laurie: That's great. That's an important lesson. And that's great. You add naturally the balance of being nerdy and clowning around. I think I did more clowning than nerding in high school. Like just having fun. I probably could have tried a little harder, but a lot of people don't have like the funny bones in their body. They know how to like sit down and do homework. But when they're like, Hey, let loose. It's harder for some people to have fun, so it's good that that comes naturally. My motto last year was becoming really serious about being silly. Work hard, play hard, but also take your silliness really serious this year.

Andres Preschel: oh yeah make sure you double down on being silly oh yeah dude most people that tune into my show and look at my content online all the stuff that i'm up to i mean i don't think anyone really understands how fucking silly i am i'm a clown all day long all day like around my girlfriend my brother my best friends here like i'm such a clown you have no idea I'm an idiot all day long, but I think that that gives me a good balance because then when it gets to work, I can get super serious. I love it. And then when I'm, when I've had a long day of like back to back meetings, interactions, strategy, planning, finances, whatever, I just like to totally pull the plug, let loose, and just be a fucking clown. The memes that I send and receive to my close friends are despicable. They're bad enough to get me cancelled online. So I'll just say that before I actually get cancelled, because I think it's just a matter of time. I'm just kidding, but… But seriously, man, I don't think anyone actually realizes how much of a clown I was growing up and how much of a clown I still am. And also, I mean, I'm this super healthy guy, but back then when I was taking my Adderall, bro, I was also smoking a lot of weed. I was going out and drinking. I was a pothead when I was in 10th grade. um all the way up until like my freshman year of college and now i i probably since since over the past five or six years i've probably smoked like twice you can't do it anymore rather rather do some uh microdose of psilocybin um to improve the neuroplasticity and the creativity and the flow and the engagement to invest in my mental well-being and performance, not to distract myself and take away from it.

Jon Laurie: I agree. Yeah, I feel sharp with a little bit of mushrooms, but wheat always makes me feel foggy, especially the next day. I can't like think of my words or I always just feel slow, a little bit stupider, which is fine and good sometimes, but I like feeling sharp. Now, psilocybin is something that I think most people would benefit from taking, at least a little bit. Right? If I were to make you mayor of the world, Andreas the mayor. Oh, that's terrifying. What are five things that everybody has to do, mandatory five things, whether it's health and wellness related, or maybe like they have to go somewhere.

Andres Preschel: This is an amazing question. Wow. You're really stroking my ego right now, but I'll go ahead and give you a good answer. And real quick, I just want to mention that one of my last episodes, like last week or Monday, I recorded an episode with Paul Austin, founder of Third Wave, and he's one of the big players in the psychedelic medicine field. So that's an incredible episode that I hope those tuning in now get a chance to explore. If I was mayor of the world, five things that I would do, like five laws, rules, themes, what's the, can you be at whatever you want?

Jon Laurie: Well, I'm thinking like, Obviously, the first thing that you want to think of is you want people to be healthier, right? Okay, so when I, ready?

Andres Preschel: Five things everyone needs to do. If I was mirror of the world, these are, man, I don't want to call them laws.

Jon Laurie: My mind, it always goes in a progression, right? So like first, I'm sure you're probably similar. You think of the healthy, like simple healthy things people could do, but those are- Here, here, I got it, I got it, I got it, I got it.

Andres Preschel: Let me, I just, I appreciate it. Give your exciting answer first. I'm gonna, you know what? I'll put it this way. Let me just spit this out because I have it. I have it. I mean, let me spit it out and then I want to hear what you would do if you were married. Spit it, brother. First things first, I don't think I would make these rules. I would just say that they are recommendations based on your evolutionary design, something like that. These are things that if I'm the mayor of the world, I want everyone to be able to benefit from this. And objectively speaking, everyone on this planet can benefit and will benefit from getting morning sunlight. That's the first thing. Wake up in the morning, within the first 30 minutes of waking, get 10 minutes of sunlight. Allow light to come into the eye. Don't look directly at the sun. Expose skin to the sunlight. So now you've got your vitamin D going. You've got the therapeutic red and infrared giving you that boost in blood flow. You've got your hormones. You've got a healthy rise in cortisol, you know, before you add in the caffeine or any stimulants. So all of a sudden, everyone is automatically feeling better, investing in their circadian biology. and starting the day right. And even the folks that don't have access to a bright, clean sky and clean air, whatever, as long as you don't have to use a flashlight when you go outside, you're getting some sunlight and you're getting a lot of this effect. So that's the first thing I'd recommend. The next thing is I would say everyone should nasal breathe almost exclusively. So nasal breathing throughout the day, mouth breathing only when you absolutely have to, when you're like in some kind of emergency state or, even then I would, I recommend a little bit of botched breathing, four, seven, eight, but nasal breathing would be like just common knowledge, like sunlight, nasal breathing, like, all right, like those are your basics. And notice how these are all read so far. The next thing I would say is that everyone Hydration, I might return to hydration. Let me see. I would say set an intention for the day. Just start the day with even one more degree of presence. And maybe if there's no mission for the day, at least that's the mission and intention. to be present, even for 30 seconds. Set intention, you have sunlight, you're breathing, set intention, you're feeling good. What else? I would say that, maybe I'll make this mandatory, that everyone is relentless in pursuing some kind of purpose. And that purpose can be, it might not, hey, look, I'm not saying everyone has to be the CEO of the fucking world. I'm saying, hey, Maybe your purpose today is to be a better listener. Maybe your purpose today is to be a better parent. Maybe your purpose today is to go harvest something local that you can consume. Just to have a purpose and to relentlessly pursue purpose. Not to do things automatically or to do things because of a, you know, um, very short-lived dopamine response, right? Not instant gratification, like really delaying gratification and pursuing purpose and something meaningful, even if it's just one day or just one minute. I would say, man, the last two are really tough, but I think I got them. I think I got them. Let me cook. Let me cook.

Jon Laurie: You didn't want my prompts.

Andres Preschel: You got to have something. Yeah. Let me cook. Let me cook. Give me like a few seconds to think about these last two. No rush. I'm trying to consider like if I was the mayor of the world, I'd like to think that living conditions everywhere would be better, but I can't guarantee that. I kind of want to… It's difficult because I don't know if I should suggest things that everyone should do. if I should make them laws to abide by, or if I should, um, like recommend things, assuming that other conditions are met. So I don't think that's fairly fair. I think that's asking for too much. So I'd say like, these are like, like if you want to be the best human being that you can be, this is the bare minimum of things that you should subscribe to. So morning sunlight, nasal breathing, setting a purpose and intention for the day. Investing, whether it's time, energy, finances, like being invested in whatever your community can offer, like whether it's, you know, investing in local businesses and choosing local, like I'd say choosing local, whether it's business or food, I would say that that's a really high priority. So you can build meaningful connections with people around you so that you can do right by your body and the season and what's available that time of year. And I would say honestly, I mean it kind of pairs nicely with the fifth one is I would say that regenerative agriculture just has to be like a theme. Like that's the way that we need to, based on what I know about agriculture which is limited, but I think that in order for us to have the best nutrition, for the plants and animals around us, especially in our local environments, to be their best as well, we want regenerative agriculture. We don't want to deplete our soils of these essential nutrients that inevitably influence us and the world and our climate and so much more, and then we have to add in fertilizers and all this bullshit. I would say regenerative agriculture is something that everyone needs to be, it's funny, I'm saying this, everyone needs to be familiar with it. And at the same time, I'm lacking in essential knowledge about regenerative agriculture, so I could totally get canceled for this. But I think everyone should be aware of their impact on their local environment. And I think that's a really good first step towards improving our world environment. Instead of promising to try to do the best for the world, do the best for your community, do the best for your local environment, do the best for the land that you can see, the land that you can step on. And if everybody does a little bit of that, I think the world is going to improve as a whole. And you're not going to set goals that are impossible to measure or to accomplish. Right? So if you're invested in your local, you can see the difference that you make. And I think that's very motivating for people and a really good way to build those connections. So I'd say those are some of the things that I would definitely try. Some of the themes and responsibilities that I'd recommend as mayor of the world. And I think that all of those things that they have in common is they allow you to live an authentic and biologically consistent life. So your odds are, if you do this, you're going to feel better, look better, feel more purpose driven, mission oriented, intentional, have deeper and more meaningful connections with people around you, with the wildlife around you. So those are certainly values to speak to. what I care about, and I think that it would benefit pretty much everyone.

Jon Laurie: That was a good list. That's a gem. No preparation.

Andres Preschel: Well, you know what, Drest? I've actually prepared for this question as your co-host for weeks. So I'm going to give you an even better answer to this question.

Jon Laurie: I didn't prepare. I didn't prepare for this question other than as I was listening and writing yours. I wrote my own. Okay. And they're similar. They're really similar. And hopefully they get the same results. It's difficult to think on the spot of like what little actions or little steps, little rules can propel change and sort of snowball into bigger things, you know? Like you want people to be more kind and more open and more loving. what types of activities or laws or things can you put in place that might not already be in place that would inspire those types of things. But I've thought a little bit about this. I've never asked this question particularly, but if I could pick five, the first thing definitely would be every person required to walk 10,000 steps a day. So this is harder than it sounds. I do this most days. And I read Dr. Cabral's book. It was The Rain Barrel Effect. And that's one of his first pieces of advice is for everybody to walk 10,000 steps a day. It's not easy if you can't do it, work up to it, but 10,000 steps is super good for your physiology, it's good for your fitness, but it's also good to just be outside, like to be mindful that we're built to move. Once you start doing it, even just a little bit, walking isn't strenuous, but 10,000 steps, that's a good walk. I think it's probably like 90 to 120 minutes of walking, almost two hours. My vision for that though is that everybody will start being outside a little bit more and maybe at the same time of day after work. So like if you start to see your neighbors, you start to see the people in your local community, you start saying hi more, everybody starts coming together. Ideally that would evolve into playing organized games. So starting out as walking, then it's into like people who play an ultimate frisbee everywhere, flag football, tennis, everything.

Andres Preschel: So that's number one. If you hit, by the way, if you hit 8k a day, you're never going to play frisbee with your friends.

Jon Laurie: 8k? Really? Why?

Andres Preschel: I just fuck it around. A 10k a day for three weeks unlocks community frisbee. That's right.

Jon Laurie: Yeah, you start having like goals and trademarks like you can't play frisbee unless you hit the 20 stones. You didn't do your running this week, you can't play with your friends. The second thing is for everybody to find a natural source of water. nearby where they live. There's this website called Find a Spring. I think you've mentioned it before.

Andres Preschel: No, I've mentioned the EWG website that tests your water. For all tuning in, EWG.org and then look for the website. I don't know, check my water, test my water. Every single person tuning into this podcast should do this. EWG.org, water database. Let me actually look it up so it's even easier. I'll add it to the show notes.

Jon Laurie: They review products as well, like products with chemicals you might not want.

Andres Preschel: That's a good one. There's another site that I've been absolutely loving as of late that helps me stay on top of the best and latest science and health and stuff, and it's called examine.com. So anyway, this is www.ewg.org slash tap water slash. check what's in your water. Most of motivation happens in the amygdala, the fear center of the brain, and it's the fear of what happens unless you take action. So my zip code is 33179. 33139, what am I talking about? Let's see. City of Miami Beach. Ready for this? Zero contaminants. No. All right, there's 24 total. Eight exceed EWG health guidelines. Arsenic, potential effect cancer, 243 times the guideline. Chlamydium, 5.6 times, also for cancer. Haloacetic acids, HAA5. Potential effect cancer, 321 times. HAA9, potential to have cancer, 577 times. PFHPA, 12 times. PFOS, 29 times. Radium, 3.3 times. TTHMs, trihalomethanes, 146. I mean, like, dude, this is absolutely disgusting. And then it shows you here, like, you know, if you, It shows you the different water filters that can reduce the contaminant level. So in this case, you know, reverse osmosis would be great, except it would, oh my God, it actually wouldn't take out the chlorate or chlorofluoromethane. I mean, I honestly don't know what the effects of those are. Manganese, I'd assume you actually want manganese in your diet. Vanadium. Anyway, reverse osmosis is cool, but then you have to be good about adding minerals back in or else through osmosis in your own body, you lose minerals. And so that's the problem. You want to make sure you add those back in. Activated charcoal is good but not even close to the influence of RO. Anyway, that's a tangent but check your tap water. So you're saying, man, find local water, find your local spring.

Jon Laurie: Yeah. That's a good tangent. Cause that's, that's the reason for finding a spring is I want to have the highest quality water. I've learned a little bit about like the energetic qualities of water too. And obviously mineral content, all these different things, but, uh, when water is taking its turns down, like springs and rivers, it's charged a certain way. So when it's in your pipes and accumulating minerals, Yeah, exactly. So I've been wanting to do more of that. And there's a website called find a spring and you just type in your zip code. I think it's dot com. Yeah. Find a spring. And there's a map. You can find the ones near you through the one dot org. And there's one near my work. So I started using it and it honestly makes me feel more hydrated with less water. That was something I didn't expect was like, I drink less and feel way more hydrated, almost like full. You know, like I don't, when I was thirsty before you chug water, like if you're really thirsty, you keep chugging. But with a good glass of water from this spring, it feels like I don't need that much, which is interesting.

Andres Preschel: My nearest spring, unfortunately, is three hours away.

Jon Laurie: Take a little road trip.

Andres Preschel: Does he come back every other day for some water? Yeah. I'll tell you what I did actually. I recently invested in one of the greenfield water solutions below the counter filters for my kitchen. Oh yeah? Pull that up. Yeah, that's actually Ben Greenfield's dad's company. I'm not an affiliate, I just, I've been doing some research because, yeah, I mean, I realize the water's so bad, so in my, for example, in my bathroom, in my shower, I have a Symbiotica, that's spelled C-Y-M-B-I-O-T-I-K-A, Symbiotica showerhead filter, and then on the bathroom sink, I live in a one-bedroom apartment, in the bathroom sink I have the filter baby, which I got an ad for on Instagram and Insta-bought that. And then, yeah, the biggest issue has been my kitchen sink because it's probably where I use most of my water, you know, washing dishes and everything. And just like, you know, just cleaning things up around the house. So I got the Heresync 5-stage under water or under sink structured water filter system. It's on back order, unfortunately, so I'm kind of waiting for that. And check this out. It's got stage one is PHA technology. So pre-carbon based hydrogen catalyst with potent absorbent properties for pH adjustment. Stage two, fluorine pure fluoride water employs advanced absorption techniques to selectively reduce slash eliminate fluoride ions. Stage 3, Electropure, contaminant removal, hardness, cutting edge, electroabsorption technology utilizing electric charge fields to capture and eliminate contaminants. Stage 4 is Structuring, it structures the water, enhances hydration through toroidal vortexing principles, promoting vitality, energy, and improved filtration performance. Stage 5, Energization, utilizes our integrated harmonizer to infuse the water with resonances and valuable information, optimizing its energetics for superior cellular utilization, and then I added, there's an add-on, an optional add-on, mineralization, actual filtration, pH enhancement is achieved using 99.99% pure MgO plus CaO, that's magnesium and calcium, provide significant benefits for people, plants, and animals while inhibiting corrosion. Um, anyway, that sounds kind of like a, um, water filtration system for space for outer space. But I, I just decided, man, like most of our bodies are made of water. Um, every single day I have an issue with my water. Cause I mean, I've seen how terrible it is and I'm sick of buying containers of water. Like they're plastic containers of water. It's spring water in a plastic container. Even the BPA free ones. I don't trust that. And then I was considering doing like the Mountain Valley water and getting that delivered every week. But apparently that's not even that good either. Apparently their sourcing hasn't been so good. And then the Alive Water, that's just a scam. Apparently it's, they were looking into it and Alive Water is actually like tap water from like Illinois or something. It was all a marketing gimmick. And I'm sure, I mean, I've been marketed too, right? I don't know if I need all five of these filtration systems with the optional add-on to hydrate my body, whatever. But I don't know, I just decided, you know, water, something I do every single day, probably something that I should invest in. And went through the options and that seemed like that was the best for me. So yeah, no Springs near me, but I, I appreciate you sharing that with us and look, there's so many in the U S I mean all over the world. Right. So anyone, almost anyone should, Kenneth should check this out. Everyone should check it out and see if there's a spring nearby. Um, dude, yeah. Up near you, man. There's so many. Yeah.

Jon Laurie: There's some good ones up in the mountains. Yeah. Wow. I got to take some road trips. But that one, hopefully to talk about around the world, maybe that would inspire people to learn how to filter water properly. And like, cause we're fortunate to have at tap water is not good, but we have it like, it's not going to kill you. Yeah. There's so many people don't have access to fresh water. So that'll, that'll hopefully cascade and to inspire people to think about providing water for everybody too.

Andres Preschel: Yeah. Yeah, definitely. Yeah. Yeah. Water's important, man. I'm dehydrated now because I just, honestly, I just keep getting decision-making fatigue when it comes to my daily water. I just don't even know what's right from wrong anymore. I'm dehydrated right now.

Jon Laurie: Just tape an IV bag to your shoulder and just have it on you all day. Put it onto your clothes. I got it. Outsourcing, hyper productivity.

Andres Preschel: But the shower, I mean, most, I feel like most folks tuning in to this podcast probably know, or at least can understand and appreciate why a showerhead filter is so important. But for those who don't know, like, not only is that going into your skin and eventually making its way into your bloodstream, but you're also inhaling the water vapor. And whatever crap is in there, you're inhaling that. It's going straight to your brain. And I don't know about you guys, but I like to take super long hot showers and make like a little sauna in my bathroom for like 30 minutes. I know that's probably not, I'm probably wasting a lot of water, but I like my hot showers.

Jon Laurie: So the skin is porous. The skin is actually the largest organ in the body, right? So do you know the statistic on how much water you're absorbing each shower you take? I don't know, it sounds like it might be chatty. I went to a health conference in August and when we met, so the day after we met, I went to that conference. It was a guy who did the water filtration and he brought up some statistics on how much water your skin absorbs during a 10 minute shower. obviously talking about the toxicity and all the other things. And it was alarming, like wild. I don't know how it translates to like drinking. You're not drinking through your skin, but you are absorbing quite a lot of stuff.

Andres Preschel: Yeah, I mean, Chachapiti doesn't give me an exact answer, but I think that the knowledge, their statistic is pretty niche and very difficult to calculate, but it is a significant amount. And it's not just that it's like. It's like the chronic effect of that, right? Like if you're living in the same, let's say you get a mortgage, right? You're living in the same house 20, 30 years or more. That's the minimum to pay off the house. And you're showering every day or hey, at least every other day. Look, the crazy thing about these heavy metals in your water, like arsenic, chromium, is they bioaccumulate. They accumulate in your body. You don't know it's an issue until it's an issue. You know, same reason why you don't want to eat all these, you know, big, high trophic level fish like swordfish and big tuna because, you know, our water is unfortunately polluted. Since the industrial revolution, our water has been polluted. polluted, even before that, technically, I think, but anyway, it's heavily polluted with heavy metals. And the crazy thing is as you move up the trophic levels, so if you go going from a little itty bitty krill to a sardine that eats a krill to, I don't know, a herring that eats the sardine to a mackerel that eats the herring, and then a big tuna eats the mackerel, right? It's like, imagine if As you move up, there is a little bit of energy loss as you move up from each trophic level, meaning like if you have a herring eating 10 sardines and then a mackerel eating 10 herrings, The issue is that they need to eat relatively more for their size because there's about a 10% loss in energy. I'm probably, for those who are familiar with thermodynamics and actually know how to describe the nuance of this, they're probably going to shit all over me right now. The point is that the fish have to, as you move off the pit, fish have to eat a little more. They have to eat a little more. And as that happens, you have a little more mercury that are consuming for your size or other heavy metals. And that so bio accumulates and it bio magnifies. So it becomes exponentially larger amount. So the concentration of the heavy metal. For every piece of fish that you eat is much higher. So, like, I think it's an actual I think it's a crime to feed a young person or a baby swordfish. Like, the amount of heavy metal in that is so ridiculous. Um, like, dude, choose a, choose a small, just you want to eat, you want to feed them something nutritious, choose a smaller, less expensive fish, by the way, that has a higher selenium therapeutic index. Selenium can bind and counteract the effect of these heavy metals. So for example, the forager fish, so sardines, herring, anchovies, for example, um, eating selenium regularly, you know, every day, every other day, so like one or two Brazil nuts per day. Um, this stuff will counteract and it will also be, by the way, compared to like the bigger fish, like tuna and swordfish will be, um, higher in omega threes and typically higher in calcium as well. So just way better, healthier, cheaper, better for the environment, you know? So anyway.

Jon Laurie: We're the tuna. We're the tuna now. We're accumulating all that shit. Lucky for you, I've put together a detox protocol for less than 500… Lucky for you guys tuning in.

Andres Preschel: John and I, click the link in our bio. We have… It's going fast. It's going fast. It's basically how to stop being the tuna in your community. How to be more of the salmon. Be the anchovy. Be the anchovy. Be the anchovy. If you want to be a new market at anything, you want to be an entrepreneur in life, you got to be the anchovy. You got to be the anchovy. It's good advice. Why would you question it? Just do it. Why would you question it? Just do what we say. Run a podcast and we have credibility. Be the anchovy in your life. Don't be toxic. Don't be toxic. Be nutrient dense. Anchovies are strong. Have something to give. Have value. You want to be valuable? Be an anchovy.

Jon Laurie: Nobody's underestimating the anchovy. People look at a tuna, they expect you to be strong. Be the underdog. Yeah.

Andres Preschel: One reason shakers. Be the anchovy in a school of fish. Be the anchovy that got away. Be the outlier. Write a book. You got these tuna that came from other tuna. They have an unfair advantage. Be the anchovy.

Jon Laurie: They'll never see it coming. That's the tagline.

Andres Preschel: For the 0.1%, that's the- They never saw it coming. For the 0.1%ers out there, be the krill. 0.1 of the 0.1. And if you want to be like a just top, if you want to be the mayor, CEO of the world, be phytoplankton. Which by the way is like the best, like chlorella, right? That's the best thing. Chlorella is like, I would go as far as to say it is actually the first superfood of this planet. It's mother nature's breast milk if you think about it. Life came from chlorella basically.

Jon Laurie: That's where I learned the word superfood. Chlorella and spirulina both became popular at the same time. Yeah, that was the first superfood I ever learned about. Probably on the Ben Greenfield podcast, Energy Bits, they call it. Energy Bits.

Andres Preschel: I've had Kathryn Arnstein twice, or three times technically. I've had her twice on the show, and then I did a little mini interview with her at one of the conferences. She's the only person I've actually been on three times, because I think everybody should be eating Energy Bits. Chlorella Spirulina, this is not an ad. Like they have the best, they have the best in the world. They really take care of every step of the process. That stuff is so nutrient dense. Every single day of my life, I have a couple, look, there's a few things that I do every day. Like I, yeah, you can say movement, 10K steps, you know, whatever, sunlight, meditation, even if it's a minute. But there's a few things that I consume every single day. They are clean water. Well, getting cleaner and cleaner every week, I guess. Um, it's, it's, it's like every morning, right? 32 ounces of water, five grams of creatine, um, timeline, urolithin A outer with like the blueberries in it, like the blueberry urolithin A powder. It's delicious. One scoop of relight electrolyte mix, which has made the salt in there is Redmond real salt. It's sea salt. that was that sea salt deposits in like Utah that have been there before our oceans were polluted, like way back in prehistoric whatever times, like there are oceans out in Utah, I guess. And now there's these beautiful salt deposits that have super clean, high quality salt with over 60 minerals. And that's the salt they use for this electrolyte mix. So I drink that every morning, but I feel like a million bucks. And then later in the day, my first meal, I have my spirulina and chlorella. And those are like, and then in the evening, my magnesium breakthrough. That's like every day, no matter what, every single day I do that.

Jon Laurie: Yeah. You got to get your bits. This isn't an ad, but you get it.

Andres Preschel: It's genuinely not an ad. If you're not getting your bits, what are you doing? By the way, it's expensive. It's not cheap. It's expensive if you buy the bag with like a thousand of the energy bits. You don't need to eat a handful. Those 60 or $70 is going to last you months. So remember to use my code at checkout. No, I'm just kidding.

Jon Laurie: And you know, most days you wake up, you look in the mirror, your skin's a certain color, your mouth is a certain color. Why not turn your mouth a different color? You want to be a different color. When was the last time you experienced that?

Andres Preschel: Be the green anchovy in your community. Yes.

Jon Laurie: We're making a lot of progress here. Yeah, we are. I gotta go soon. I'm gonna rip through my last three. Okay. And then I have one last question for you, and then I gotta head out. All right. Done. This is a really important one. For three days a year, we're gonna shut off all the lights. No exceptions. All the lights are out. Some exceptions, okay? If there's no exceptions, some exceptions, okay? Eye of danger, spitballing, but all the lights, got to get out in nature, look at the stars, remember that we're in the middle of space. Maybe we'll do this on Earth Day. They do it for the turtles. The turtles get confused with the streetlights, they shut the lights off for them down in Florida. So we gotta shut off all the lights to remind people.

Andres Preschel: I don't know where in Florida that is, but I gotta move there and pretend I'm a turtle or something.

Jon Laurie: I think they do it, it might be near Miami. I have a friend that studies turtles down there. Bro, the lights are never off in Miami.

Andres Preschel: Oh, damn. It's probably, you know what, it's probably either like… I don't know, Jupiter or something, or like in the Keys, because I don't think that happens in Miami. Maybe Key Biscayne. It could be Key Biscayne.

Jon Laurie: We'll have to do some research. But we need to do that all. I'm investing property there. That's what I'm going to do. Yeah. Watch a meteor shower or something, but shut off all the lights. Experience real darkness. See the Milky Way. And remember, we're on a big rock. We don't know shit. Be humble.

Andres Preschel: You know? So this is, by the way, just for those who might be confused by why you're saying this, this is like, We went off many tangents. This is what you would do as mayor of the world. This is point number three, if you're mayor of the world.

Jon Laurie: Yeah. Tune back in, get the other ones. That's point number three. Point number four is make someone a gift. So hopefully this is some type of art. Art makes people more empathetic. Giving gifts makes people more empathetic. Maybe there's a compliment attached to that gift. Just bringing people together. People got to get closer. We're trying to bring everyone together. So making a gift. Plus you learn a skill. If you don't know how to do art, maybe you're inspired to make somebody a good gift. So you want to get good at a skill before you do that.

Andres Preschel: That might be the help you need. So when it comes to giving gifts, you know, some people. would dismiss presence as a present. But I think that that is often, especially nowadays, one of the best gifts. Although to your point, I think that creating something for like using your hands to build, to make something for someone is, is beautiful. It's something that I, you know, it's because it's so easy. You see something on TikTok that somebody else in another fucking state or country made with their hands. And now the algorithm, you know, likes it for some reason. I'm going to buy this for my boyfriend or my girlfriend or my mom or my dad or my brother or my… It's like, okay, great, but instead of just getting that hit of dopamine through social media and like, oh, I got you something, I didn't make it though, just make something.

Jon Laurie: Make something simple. Even if it sucks. Presence is number one. Presence is number one. There's nothing better than- If it sucks, it has character. Right. But it's also saying, I thought of you when I'm not with you. I think of you even when we're not fully together, and I think that's so important. I want to be her penpal dude. Yeah, Bandaloop. Look it up, it's a dance team. They jump off the sides of buildings and I met their whole team. I worked with them. I did some audio equipment, was between jobs. Super cool group of people, but this one woman and I connected. We were great friends. It was so fun. Took her to the ocean. We only had, whatever, two days together. The whole group was amazing. But she was like, we should be pen pals. We should keep in touch. No way. With the phone.

Andres Preschel: Dude, that's a major turn on. Major green flag.

Jon Laurie: Just friends, just friends. Green flag, but just friends. She had a partner who was also super cool. He's like downhill longboarding, rock climbing, super big guy. He did the rigging for them. Super cool. Just great people all around. Couldn't say enough good things. And then I have a friend, a Navy friend in Indiana, who sends me postcards often. He just sent me his favorite Van Gogh painting. He's like, I like this one. This is my favorite. I hope you all as well. Which one was it? Do you remember? I'll show you right now.

Andres Preschel: My girlfriend and I are huge fans of Van Gogh. Oh, wow. Yeah.

Jon Laurie: Yeah. He's funny. Hapton or whatever. He's got the same dream to start a farm. grow food and have communal land and have all the Navy friends come together. But he's getting a farm soon, so he might be first.

Andres Preschel: I'm thinking about doing something like that. I'm pretty much ready to invest in a property and I'm thinking because of the interest rates, it might be better to just pay cash for a land and then when things are better, maybe build. I'd love to have an apartment here in the city. I just want land, bro. The themes that we've seen in the world, the things that have happened in the past couple of years, I feel like it's really wise to just have your own compound. It doesn't have to be anything crazy, but your own land, you can depend on yourself. You got your chickens, you got your dogs. Not to eat the dogs, but you know.

Jon Laurie: I love the dogs. want to in the hopes that it inspires people to think about where their organic food or inorganic food is coming from and maybe inspire people to learn about planting and gardening and farming.

Andres Preschel: Well, all very introspective points that I like how everything that you described was kind of like the first step in an evolution to like, you know, explore more and better opportunities to level up in life for yourself and for your loved ones and your community. It's like everything was like, all right, so this is step one of what I hope this transpires into. But inevitably, I think it will for a lot of people. It's logically like the domino effect is going to happen. And if you look at all these things together, I mean, I think that the world is… Imagine if we could go back in time and do something like that, man. We're here, we're doing it right now. We're doing it right now. At the end of the day, if the world wasn't what it is, we wouldn't be having this conversation and hoping that every listener takes action in this fashion. So yeah, it does incentivize in a very important way. So I definitely don't want to dismiss the timing. The timing is perfect. This is the only real timing. This is the only time that exists is right now.

Jon Laurie: So true. And so beautiful. You can choose to look at the complex, really demoralizing problems of our time, or you can look at the little things. I think I intentionally chose little things to turn into big things, because that's also how my mind works. If you try to do something too big, too fast, it's easy to get overwhelmed. It's really easy to dream so big and try to do everything and then neglect doing the simple one thing every day that you know is going to make progress or help things out. It's like, oh man, we got to buy the land and fix everything. It's like, did you eat any vegetables today? Did you eat a single thing that's healthy today?

Andres Preschel: I'm about to sit down and have a bowl of arugula to make myself feel better about wanting to buy farmland. Arugula and anchovies. I actually have both of those things. I will combine them. Thank you for the interview.

Jon Laurie: Yeah, put some vinegar on there and you got a salad. Not my question, Tim Ferrison's question. The billboard question.

Andres Preschel: I could put a message, word, or phrase on a billboard somewhere in the world. What would it say where I put it? Yep. I ask this question to every podcast guest, so I appreciate you asking me. Oh man.

Jon Laurie: I loved Wim Hof's. That was like the best answer. He interviewed Wim Hof. And without hesitating, he asked him this question. He's just like, Breathe motherfucker. It's like, yes, that is the best answer for him.

Andres Preschel: I would say that my answer is a combination of three quotes, which I think is a little much for a billboard. But let me try to, let me try to just say them and then I'll distill them into my own version of what I mean to say. So the first one is by Theodore Roosevelt and it goes, no one cares how much you know until they know how much you care. And I think that for any expert, any leader, anyone that's in a position to teach anyone anything. Nobody knows how much you know until they know how much you care until they know that it's not just what's in it for you. You know, to flex what you know, flex your knowledge, your intuition, your experience, your accolades, your credibility, show people how much you care so that then they can really understand the depth of what you're about to share and why it's relevant and why it's valuable. Um, I think that has been just. Like that's my rock. Like that quote has changed my life and I operate everything. All my operations just fall back on that quote. I care. And that's always a prerequisite to anything that I do or anything that I say when I work with other people and I'm among other people. At least I hope that it is. Obviously the ego can get in the way, cloud your judgment. It's not always perfect. The next one is, Escape competition through authenticity. That's by Naval Ravikant. By being authentic, you're one of one. You will never have competition. I've always despised competition. I've never been a competitive person. I have very competitive qualities. And I'm very driven to succeed, and I know that there is technically competition, but the more that I. make decisions and observations and communicate in a way that is authentic. And obviously these are quotes derived from other people, so it's not very authentic. But like I said, I'm going to distill these into one quote. Escape competition through authenticity is one of my favorites. And then last but not least is a quote by Jim Quick. And this wasn't really a quote, I just kind of happened to tune into this on one of his podcasts or interviews and it just kind of clicked for me. He said it very casually. And it's have the curiosity to get to know yourself. And once you get to know yourself a little bit, have the courage to be yourself. My, the way I would distill this is have the courage to be authentic because that's how you're going to be best able to help other people. Because I think that what most of the world needs, I mean, the world needs a lot of things, but I think what the world really needs is authenticity because authenticity is the root to healing on a personal and collective level if we know fundamentally what's who are you really what's really wrong with you we can heal what's really wrong with us what's really wrong with me i can heal that's authentic i'm not going to dismiss my traumas dismiss my hardship I'm not going to sacrifice that because going to bite me in the ass via my subconscious is one way or another. So I think authenticity is for the, you know, being authentic about what are your weak points, what are the things that might be holding you back and also authentically speaking your truth and stepping into your excellence, doing the things that you're good at, the things that you enjoy, the things that really help you feel, get you to feel alive. have the courage to do that you have to you have to be courageous in that because for the bad stuff i mean it takes courage unraveling the bad and for the good stuff it takes courage To do what you want to do and be who you want to be. Even if it's objectively a skill, a real skill or talent, you still have to be, have the courage because people will judge you, especially if you're doing something that they've never seen before. Something that they've never seen expressed before, embodied before, and that takes courage. And I think that if we start on an individual level to do more of this, that we're going to show people how easy and how rewarding that is. And we're going to help them do the same. And we're going to be able to live in a world where people are just real, there's truth, there's honesty, there's transparency, there's clarity. And everyone is an expert in something because the truth is everyone on this planet knows something that you don't. And through our nature, our environment and our nurture, our DNA, this clever blend, there's a clever blend of skills and specific knowledge that you can come up with that will serve some kind of purpose. And so if we really have the courage to be authentic, that's in my opinion, the best way to help somebody else and to promote healing personally and collectively.

Jon Laurie: That's great. I wish I had an applause button. That made the noise, not just the emoji. You know, you can also just clap.

Andres Preschel: Definitely, definitely don't clap for me. But, uh, it was well said. It's funny because you can actually put your hand up on zoom, but I wish there was a clap emoji as well.

Jon Laurie: Yeah, just applause. That's beautifully said. I think we had talked about before, Dr. Seuss was, one of his little quotes was like, let me take care of me so that I can better take care of you. That's my theme for the year is service, but in taking exquisite care of myself, I want to be able to better serve others. It's so important to know what it is you want and to take care of your wants and needs and then inspire those around you with energy and showing up and being super compassionate. That was really well said.

Andres Preschel: Good three quotes too. I would add a fourth to pair nicely with what you shared, which is by Joe Holder, and I think it's maybe Um, it's very similar to Dr. Seuss's quote when it goes, it takes being selfish to be selfless. I've shared that countless times on the podcast and on social media because it just really hits home. You know, a lot of this like health optimization. I mean, it's such a. It's not so much of a big investment in like a lot of health optimization stuff as we cover with the breathing and the sunlight and the water. A lot of that is free or very low cost for the vast majority of people on this planet. But I think it's like… the mindset, adopting a mindset is a major investment because it just, I think it really displaces you in this modern world. Like it's, it's, it's really, um, it's, it's, it disturbs these like modern constructs, you know, it's, so it's like, It's an investment. And I think a lot of people might see health optimization or just taking your health really seriously as like something that's so selfish and like so like, wow, like, you know, you know, it's a major investment. Let's put it like that. It's a major investment. It can be very selfish. It can be very egotistical. It can be very narcissistic. I think a lot of the people that approach this journey to begin with, they do it because they've been very sick or they know what it's like to feel like shit and they're sick of it. They're sick of feeling sick. But I think that like most things in nature, there's a regression towards the mean. So like in my case, I was I had no relationship with my body for a very long time, very poor health. And what happens was I became addicted once I started to get a taste of what could be. And then I overshot and I got to the point where I was super fucking arrogant, super fucking narcissistic. absorbed, like my image was everything. I had to be shredded to the bone. And I did this at the expense of social life, libido, everything. I was a monster at one point. All I cared about was the gym and hitting my macros and taking mirror selfies. And then naturally, there's a regression towards the mean. Then you find out what is important to me, what really works. How do I want to live my life? What kind of image do I want to embody? How do I want to inspire? Who do I want to inspire? Why? So there's a regression towards the mean. And the reason why I bring this up is because it takes being selfish sometimes to just get the ball rolling. But when you do and then you gain perspective and you gain skills and essential knowledge, then guess what? You can help somebody else or something similar. So it takes being selfish because otherwise you can't speak from a place of experience. You can't speak from a place of empathy. You're limited in your ability to help until you do it yourself and you understand what it takes. So, yeah.

Jon Laurie: Gotta stay curious and keep doing the work.

Andres Preschel: Yeah. Yeah. I always say the number one prerequisite because I offer a premium coaching service. There's people on this planet, a lot of money that want to throw money at me just so I can tell them what to do because they're so busy and whatever. I deny them because I say the number one prerequisite to working with me is you have to have curiosity. And this is true, by the way, for those who are paying me or those who aren't, even the folks that are tuning into this podcast right now. You want to make the most of this podcast and other podcasts. The number one prerequisite is that you're curious and that you're willing to experiment. You're willing to be wrong, just like I'm willing to be wrong. I know that I've said things on the podcast that's probably been disproven, proven wrong. I'm willing to accept it. Stay curious, stay skeptical, question everything. That's what makes a good scientist. The best scientists are the most skeptical scientists. that are willing to be wrong. I'm willing to be wrong. I'm willing to be humbled by science and other truths that science has yet to explain as well. If about me, man, this has been an honor and pleasure to be here with you. I can't thank you enough for these amazing questions. Um, uh, it's cool to get to share this, these moments with you because in a lot of ways we're so like-minded and especially when it comes to our values, um, and our age relatively speaking. So I think that these conversations hopefully can and will, uh, can really reach every audience, but especially the young people that are tuning in who have their whole lives ahead of them and who are starting to really be independent, live on their own. And now it really counts to think, what decisions am I going to make? What values am I going to maintain? How selfish do I need to be? to support my quality of life, to have a nice long lifespan and to be the best version of myself with people around me. So I think that having you asking me these questions, these probing questions and sharing these values with you and being similar in age is a really important way to serve that purpose. So thank you so much.

Jon Laurie: Thank you, brother. It was great fun. We can get deeper on the questions to that. This was impromptu.

Andres Preschel: Impromptu. We were supposed to do our group Q&A today with all their guys, but everyone else is busy. So I'm so glad, man. This was absolutely perfect.

Jon Laurie: Yeah, this was fun. I'm busy, too, but I choose to show up. Where are you at, Danny?

Andres Preschel: Yo, you're gonna call it. I'm gonna let Danny know you called him out on this podcast. I mean, I'm gonna share the podcast with him. Hopefully he tuned in to the end. And when he listens to this bit, he's gonna lose his fucking mind. He's gonna be spamming my Calendly podcast link and going, you know what? You did one podcast with him and he crushed it. I'm going to do five podcasts with Andres. He's so funny. Yeah. He's crushing it though. His, his, uh, His sleep score, his, his, I think you, it's either you or him, you guys have had, one of you guys has had the highest activity score this past month in our group. Let me, let me check right now what it is. Let's check it out. I gotta head out brother, but this has been so fun. Awesome, man. Much love. Thank you so much, bro. Take care. Yeah, I'll add all your, all of your links and everything to the show notes.

Jon Laurie: People can find you. Yeah. And stay curious and get out there and prove yourself around.

Andres Preschel: Much love, John. Bye-bye. Peace. So that's all for today's show. Thank you so much for tuning in today. For all of the show notes, including clickable links to anything and everything that we discussed today, everything from discount codes to videos, to research articles, books, tips, tricks, techniques, and of course, to learn more about the guest on today's episode, all you have to do is head to my website on dresspershell.com. That's A-N-D-R-S-H-E-L-L. E-S-P-R-E-S-C-H-E-L.com and go to podcasts. You can also leave your feedback, questions, and suggestions for future episodes, future guests, so on and so forth. Thanks again for tuning in and I'll see you on the next one. Have a lovely rest of your day.