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Dr. Benjamin Kosubevsky: Heavy Metals, Hyperoxygenation, and the Power of Chelation
In this compelling episode, I sit down with Dr. Benjamin Kosubevsky, an innovative expert in integrative medicine and detoxification therapies. As a specialist in heavy metal detoxification and hyperoxygenation treatments, Dr. Kosubevsky is transforming the way we approach chronic health issues tied to toxic exposures. His mission at the Longevity Center is not only to improve patient health but to make cutting-edge therapies like chelation and Eboo available and affordable for everyone, empowering individuals to tackle the environmental challenges impacting modern wellness.
Our conversation delves into Dr. Kosubevsky’s deep-rooted passion for alternative medicine and his journey from traditional medical training to the pioneering, hands-on work he does today. He shares insights into the mechanics of chelation and hyperoxygenation, revealing how they remove accumulated heavy metals, reduce inflammation, and support whole-body healing.
This episode is essential listening for anyone navigating fatigue, brain fog, or chronic inflammation, or simply curious about innovative paths to optimal wellness. Tune in to explore the profound potential of therapies that help restore the body’s natural resilience and discover how to take control of your own health journey.
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Key Points From This Episode:
Hyperoxygenation benefits for health [00:07:27]
Mercury's impact on health [00:12:51]
Molybdenum deficiency and heavy metals [00:14:37]
Selenium's role in mercury protection [00:21:33]
Foods that help chelate mercury [00:22:42]
Hemochromatosis and iron levels [00:26:39]
Mercury and neurological health impacts [00:30:01]
Bioaccumulation of heavy metals [00:38:28]
Ozone treatment advancements [00:46:41]
Cost-effective chelation treatments [00:51:25]
Vaccines and heavy metals [00:54:48]
Heavy metals in everyday products [00:57:15]
Chelation and oxygen benefits [01:02:18]
People
Dr. Benjamin Kosubevsky
Dr. Wesley Smith
Places
Longevity Center
Products and References
EDTA Chelation Therapy
DMPS Chelation Therapy
IV Ozone Therapy
Spirulina and Chlorella Supplements
Hyperoxygenation Therapy
Molybdenum Deficiency and Mercury
So Andres is right now sitting across from me. He's got both his arms spread out in front of him. He's got IVs in both arms. Blood's coming out of one arm going back into the other. It's running through this whole big fancy collection of tubes under the light. There's some pump happening. We're filtering his blood, reducing inflammation, running it under an ultraviolet light and then back into his other arm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're a mad scientist. You know that.
Speaker 1:I've heard that before about this thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is just unbelievable, man Wow.
Speaker 1:So here's where it gets really interesting. Someone pointed this out to me, and it's made perfect sense ever since we're in roughly the fourth to fifth generation since the Industrial Revolution, and so what happens is moms pass the babies, moms pass the babies over and over and over, and so that's where this arise of things like ADHD and other psychiatric things are coming from. Is that we're finally reaching a bioavailability concentration of mercury that's high enough to trigger these problems. Generation one maybe some of them got affected, but not most. Generation two, slightly more Right. So it's bioaccumulating period and it gets passed on. We've reached that tipping point now where more people than not will be affected by their level. Holy shit that's terrifying.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this happened earlier this year. A company got flagged by the state of California for having too much lead in their cinnamon-flavored applesauce, and when the FDA investigated, their first answer was well, there's no federal limit on the amount of lead allowed in food. And so, as the FDA investigated further, a whistleblower actually came out and said well, there's monetary involvement. And the other one did you hear about the? It was baby. I forget the company. Baby oat cereal, like cereal for babies without oats, had like four times the amount of glyphosate allowed.
Speaker 2:Do you think that there is ever going to be a reality where we can live our lives and handle the toxic load that we're under because it's slower? Is there any way to undo the damage that we've done and just live our lives as regular human beings and not have to go out of our way, chelating and doing Eboo to feel better about ourselves?
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Speaker 2:So we're back here, I'm hooked up to the Eboo, we're in your wonderful medical facility, in your office, dr.
Speaker 2:Dr k, it's great to see you again yeah, you too uh, you know, I've already had the chance to feel so much better now, after just a couple sessions in in here, and I feel so much better, yes, since the heavy metal chelation that we did. Now we're hooked to the eboo. Yeah, uh, which is a fascinating machine that you've built and assembled Well, that you've designed I will say designed and I've got two IVs, one in each arm.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:So, first and foremost, welcome to the show. It's nice to have you finally on this podcast and yeah, let's jump right into it, man.
Speaker 1:Yeah, thank you for having me. I'm excited you're here. You know we're doing this so we can spread the word and really teach people what Eboo is and how it can change your life.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so what exactly? Before we jump in, can you describe the scene for those who don't have eyes to the video, those who are tuning in and be driving to or from work right now?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So Andreas is right now sitting across from me. He's got both his arms spread out in front of him. He's got IVs in both arms. Blood's coming out of one arm going back into the other. It's running through this whole big fancy collection of tubes. Under the light there's some pump happening. We're filtering his blood, reducing inflammation, running it under an ultraviolet light and then back into his other arm.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you're a mad scientist. You know that.
Speaker 1:I've heard that before about this thing.
Speaker 2:Yeah, this is just unbelievable, man. Wow. And I mean you can start to see. That's the color difference you were describing right Between the blood that's coming out and the blood that's going back in. So the blood that's coming back in seems to be a lot brighter redder so it's hyperoxygenated.
Speaker 1:Yeah, that's exactly what's happening. It's akin to taking venous blood and turning it into arterial blood and then. So basically, what this does is it pumps in roughly 30% more oxygen per cell, and so we're just hyperoxygenating all of your tissue, and when we do that, you know, we're able to bring oxygen to less oxygenated parts of your body, like your eyes, your hands, your feet, your kidneys, places that normally last in line for oxygen. We're now suddenly getting a ton more, so I've had patients tell me that they could even see better after doing this.
Speaker 2:Wow, that's unbelievable. So it supports the entire body. I mean it's a systemic benefit that you can derive from therapy like this and something I entire body. I mean it's a systemic benefit that you can derive from therapy like this. Um, and something I think we forgot to do maybe we can still do it is a breath hold test before and after. You know, since I do a lot of freediving, spearfishing in fact, I'm going to be doing a huge spearfishing trip next week, uh, 50 to 70 miles off the coast of north carolina for wahoo and london snapper and all kinds of fun stuff um, but I'll tell you what I think. What's really cool is I'm very familiar with my bottom time, you know, and using my dive watch to kind of reference that, so I will give you a before and after based on my dive watch data.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:The Garmin data, so that should be really exciting.
Speaker 1:That'd be very cool. We're adding some science to this.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, for sure, great, be very cool. We're adding some science to this. Yeah, yeah, for sure, um, great. So why don't we take a few steps back and and get into some of the heavy metal chelation that we did? And, uh, go over some of my results, um, and before you do, I'll just make sure to let the audience know that this has probably been not probably without a doubt. This is one of the most important things I feel I've done for my health. I'm excited to see the objective data that proves this, but I can feel a difference. I already do. I'd imagine I do everything under the sun to feel great, look great and live a long, healthy life, but this made a massive difference in my quality of life. Like I feel like I had too many tabs open and I closed a bunch and then hit the refresh button. Like I feel more refreshed internally. You know, I feel just clearer, more energized.
Speaker 1:That's amazing. You know, rarely we get patients that react to chelation as well as you do. That happens once in a while and so, like I was telling you earlier, unfortunately, if chelation was a one-shot treatment, it'd be the best thing in the world. Unfortunately, it's a series of treatments, like I was telling you, and with each treatment you do, you pull out a little bit more heavy metals out of you each time you go, and so the fact that you're reacting this well after having already done just one treatment is amazing. Yeah.
Speaker 2:And I remember I mean, I know you and please, if you can elaborate on this specific subject as soon as I got the chelation or the IV. Within 30 minutes of getting that IV, I felt like absolute crap. And you know, driving back from West Palm to Miami it's an hour and a half or so. Dude, I have never felt so exhausted in my life and it was almost impossible to drive back. For the first time in my life I had to take caffeine and nicotine and I had Andrew here asking me very complicated math problems just to keep myself awake and I was slapping myself in the face. On top of that, I had to pull over halfway through to get more caffeine and nicotine just to make it back home. So what was happening there? Why did I get that kind of reaction? Is that typical when you do heavy metal chelation?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so that reaction can be typical. What happens is and the way I always explain to patients is, whatever the metal, whatever symptom you get when you're doing chelation, is kind of what that heavy metal is causing. So you got that really bad when we did your mercury treatment and so what happens is likely. You know you mentioned you have a tiny bit of fatigue and if you weren't as well tuned as you are with your supplements, your workouts, just your lifestyle, you'd probably be feeling a lot more. You're holding that fatigue at bay just through how you live your life, and so the average person that isn't like you, they probably have a ton more fatigue with these heavy metal loads that you have, and so the mercury is causing it. And when we do that chelation we're basically stirring up a lot of that mercury and it takes about eight hours for you to pee it out, and so in that eight hours it's kind of passing through your body and ping-ponging around your body and so it's just creating more fatigue, more inflammation for that eight hour period.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I felt, oh my gosh, I felt like I was unplugged, you know, and now I mean it's been what, like two weeks. Yeah, I feel so much better, man Nice. I feel so much better, man Nice. That's awesome, and I'll tell you, I'll give you very specific examples. I feel like I can start my days quicker, like I'm just mentally prepared to start the day within 15, 20 minutes, like actually I was ready to go, you know, sometimes instantly Nice.
Speaker 2:I feel this is a really funny and almost ironic example, but I feel like I can stare at my phone and laptop for work longer without feeling like cognitively you know, drained very cool. Um, I feel just like I have more mental and physical endurance you know, yeah, I just feel great, yeah, you've detoxified.
Speaker 1:And so toxins? The whole big and we talked about this before is that they basically cause malfunctioning cells. You know what happens, especially with mercury your body will pick up mercury, thinking it's molybdenum, and molybdenum is a key mineral involved in 30 different functions, and they'll end up plugging mercury into these cells and then you end up building non-functioning cells. So when you remove the mercury and your body actually picks up molybdenum instead, you're going to be much more efficient in how your body processes tax.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and it's interesting, I had no idea that was the case that I had mentioned to you. Just from my perspective it was, I don't know. Almost coincidentally, I happened to mention that I had an issue digesting alliums and sulfur. Alliums and sulfur-rich foods I've. You know, over the past couple of years I haven't been able to eat onions, garlic, brussels sprouts, broccoli, eggs, you know, without feeling some symptoms of brain fog or fatigue. Specifically with garlic and onions, especially raw, I mean, if I had those, my breath would taste like and smell like onion and garlic. For days I could brush my teeth 40 times and it would still. It just wouldn't go away.
Speaker 2:And I spoke to a geneticist friend of mine about this and he said well, look, man, what all these foods have in common is sulfur and you probably have an issue with molybdenum and you should probably supplement it. That was the extent of what he shared with me. I had no idea that heavy metals like mercury competed with molybdenum and as soon as I shared that with you, you know, you were very quick to inform me on the competitive, you know, and inverse relationship there. Right, if you have heavy metals and it competes with molybdenum, of course you're going to have a sulfur issue because you need molybdenum to break down sulfur.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's a good litmus test, and so what's really cool is I actually tested your molybdenum levels, okay, and so you're actually deficient in molybdenum. Oh, there you go, so you can see it right here that bar across, and if you're really high in some of them and I'll show you that in a second but you're deficient in molybdenum, wow, and so that's what mercury does to you.
Speaker 2:And it's interesting because I felt over the past couple of years, I felt like a buildup of this, like sulfur intolerance, you know. Yeah, and it's because the heavy metals they bioaccumulate, yes, you know, and the necklace gets worse and worse. I also felt this with red wine, you know, nitrates, nitrates and and also the, the sulfites. Right, and many red wines they have added sulfites and sulfates to preserve the wine, but red wine naturally contains it anyway a small amount, and I start to feel more and more sensitive to any wine that wasn't biodynamic. Yeah, you know, and that was an issue for me because I I like, I really enjoy red wine.
Speaker 2:You know I'll have it to any wine that wasn't biodynamic. Yeah, you know, and that was an issue for me because I really enjoy red wine. You know I'll have it maybe once a month. I'm a snob, Like I get some good stuff, but even that I was just I wasn't having a good time drinking my red wine.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you know, and so that's kind of what I was telling you. If you want to be able to drink red wine on chelating, you would take molybdenum before and after and it'll prevent a lot of those symptoms for you.
Speaker 2:Yeah for sure. So why don't we? Why don't you take me through-. Why don't we dive in the data? Man, tell me, tell me, tell me how the levels are looking.
Speaker 1:So, as you remember, we did two different tests with two different chemicals EDTA and DMPS. And so we'll start with DMPS, that one specifically for mercury, with dmps, that one's specifically for mercury. So I'm gonna swing around and arsenic, arsenic somewhat, mercury is the key of that yeah, um, I'm gonna swing around for a second, okay, and so I'm gonna show the camera first. You don't get to see until the camera sees. So you can see his pre-test, what he eliminates on his own versus what we're able to excrete out of him doing the chelation. And so you can see that giant line coming across the middle of the paper. That's his mercury levels. So now we're going to show Andreas the big reveal.
Speaker 2:Oh my gosh.
Speaker 1:So this is your pre-test. This is what you eliminate naturally on your own. Not much of any. Where's the mercury? Mercury's right here?
Speaker 2:So that's when I eliminate naturally on my own.
Speaker 1:You're eliminating one microgram per gram of creatinine or urine. Okay, then this is what you eliminate with chelation. So 45. It's off the charts. It's off the charts. It genuinely is off the charts. It's off the charts. That's him Holy shit dude.
Speaker 2:That was unbelievable.
Speaker 1:So shit, dude, that's unbelievable. So you're at 49. So you're 49 times higher elimination with chelation. And so what we do, we can't measure how much mercury is inside of you. All we could do is measure how much we can pull out of you. So from there we kind of extrapolate that If you have 50 times as much coming out of you, then you have a massive burden inside of you, and so each time you do chelation you pull out more and more. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yeah, and so when people get their heavy metals tested, is that an inaccurate or a poor way to assess what's really happening in someone's body?
Speaker 1:So basically blood and blood, especially, and morning urine. As you can see, they're only measuring what your body's naturally excreting and you're not naturally excreting much. That's the problem. So when you do a blood test for it's almost always zero, but when you do a provoke test, you can see how much is hiding in your tissue.
Speaker 2:Wow, man. And. And so you think um, how many more sessions am I gonna need before I get this normalized?
Speaker 1:So what I typically tell patients is about one IB per point of mercury. So with a mercury of 50, you're looking at close to 50- points.
Speaker 2:So 50 sessions is what I would require.
Speaker 1:When you get into these higher numbers, like I told you, the average high I see is between 20 and 30. So when you get into these numbers like 50, it usually goes a little bit faster.
Speaker 2:So I would guess between 20 and 30 treatments and then what Is it like a concentration gradient of sorts, or yeah, exactly, it's a concentration gradient.
Speaker 1:So chelations I call it the bathtub example. Imagine your body is a bathtub and the water in it's dirty. Right, the dirt will call mercury. So every time we do chelation, we take a cup like basically a filter through and we scoop through and we measure how much we're pulling out. That's what the test is, and so each time you do it, you pull some out, and the more you have in there, obviously, the more you pull out per time and then, as it as it, as your numbers fade, you're basically pulling out less per time. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Okay, right, that makes sense. Do you know how much we pulled out the first round of therapy?
Speaker 1:We pulled out 50 micrograms of urine or of mercury in your urine. 15? 5-0 micrograms, okay, 50. 5-0 micrograms, 50. So how much is the total? So that's what we don't know. Five zero micrograms, five Okay, fifty. Five zero micrograms, fifty Okay, all right. So how much is the total? So that's what we don't know. So the way this test works is they basically standardize your creatinine in your urine. So the test is standardized and they basically measure how many micrograms of mercury is there per gram of creatinine in your urine.
Speaker 2:So all we can measure is an excretion amount. How much is coming out of you? Okay, and based on the symptoms and the subjective benefits that I've experienced, are those pretty consistent with the amount that was pulled out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so typically people with higher mercuries have more drastic life changes at the end of chelation, whereas people that you know. If you had a mercury of five, we probably wouldn't bother chelating you. You're too low to care about, it's not a problem. I only start treating people once they get to about 10 and higher.
Speaker 2:And why do you think I had such high levels of mercury? I mean, obviously I eat a lot of fish, yeah, a lot.
Speaker 1:That's probably your source. So, as we all know, tuna, swordfish, other big game fish, are full of mercury.
Speaker 2:Yeah, because it bioaccumulates and bio-magnifies and move up the trophic levels in the food web.
Speaker 1:Yep, and so it's basically genetics. Does your body recognize mercury and other metals as a toxin and choose to eliminate it, or does it not? For example, japanese people of japanese ethnicity. They have a gene that actually identifies elemental mercury as toxin and excretes it at a faster rate than the rest of us, because they, as a culture, they eat so much seafood that they would all have mercury poisoning if they didn't.
Speaker 2:So it's natural selection wow, oh my gosh, I didn't't know that. It's really fascinating. And I understand, you know some fish have a high selenium therapeutic index, like salmon and all the forager fish, like you know, herring and anchovies and sardines, and I mean you know there's smaller fish too, so they will have lower concentrations. But then I understand selenium that they contain also helps to counteract that. Can you tell us a little more about selenium and how it protects and counters mercury in the body?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so mercury competes with a few different minerals in the body to. Basically it's a key in a hole receptor, so your body will accept anything into the hole, as long as the teeth on the key are correct. Does that make sense? Yeah, so mercury competes with molybdenum, selenium, it's somewhat competes with zinc, somewhat competes with copper, and so it's the same idea as taking molybdenum. You're deficient in selenium and molybdenum when you're high in mercury, so when you take those, you're basically trying to shove mercury out of the keyhole and try and replace it with regular minerals.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I got back on the regular supplementation with selenium. I mean, I'm having two brazilmas a day and there was a period of time, I'd say over the past year, I ran out of the brazilmas and I, yep, and, and there was a period of time, I'd say over the past year, I kind of I ran out of the brazilmas and I forgot to, to, to, you know, to re-up, um, but ever since we did our chelation therapy, I've been having that every single day and I've also been having, uh, chlorella and spirulina. Um, are there other foods that can help you naturally chelate? Maybe foods that aren't necessarily high or rich in selenium and molybdenum?
Speaker 1:So yeah, so just I want to point out what you're saying. You are actually very low in selenium. You're lower in selenium than you are in molybdenum. So you need to up your intake, and you can see it right here in these results. Well, wow.
Speaker 2:Selenium. Is that mind? Wow, and is there such thing as I mean I imagine it has to be such thing as over-consuming selenium too, right?
Speaker 1:Yes.
Speaker 2:How many Brazil notes, for example, would be too many.
Speaker 1:Yes, now you're starting to get into dietitian level stuff which is a little bit out of my scope. That's why I have coach Kyle to do nutrition supplementation for patients. Yeah, you could probably double what you're taking. Okay, and that's what I think the most important thing is. There's no one answer fits all patients. We do testing, see where you're at and then adjust from there.
Speaker 2:Right.
Speaker 1:So you're taking two a day and it's not enough, so we can increase you.
Speaker 2:Wow, okay, fascinating, all right. Well, I'm going to start taking maybe three or four bizonas a day, yeah a day and yeah, and I see how I feel.
Speaker 1:And then when, once you get through 10 chelation treatments, we're going to retest you again just to get a ratio of how fast you're coming down, and then we'll get an idea of how high your selenium is at that point and then from there we can adjust again yeah, and so I mean, look, I also I I had some questions for you about lead.
Speaker 2:I don't know how I'm doing there, but yeah, uh, you know I grew up fishing almost every single day of my life and I handled lead weights. There's lead, you know, all over our modern environments, right? So I'm curious how I'm doing on that end.
Speaker 1:So once again, we'll let the camera see, the audience see, before we get your reaction to it. I got to keep this fun for myself. Fair enough, all right. Okay, ready, bit reveal. Lead is the longest bar across, so he's high in lead. His lead is 8.9. I typically start treating at a lead of five, but my average lead patient is between 10 and 15. So you're below average. Okay, you're good there. Wow, this is so much lower priority for you than the mercury is that we're going to ignore this for a long time and only focus on your mercury treatments and is the stuff that we're doing for mercury going to benefit the lead as well?
Speaker 2:Not really. So how about selenium or molybdenum? Does that compete with lead as well?
Speaker 1:No lead. Mostly competes with calcium boron and a couple other things.
Speaker 2:So basically, you mentioned, I think, manganese and boron. And what else did you mention? Copper?
Speaker 1:and boron. And what else? Did you mention Copper? So I imagine eating dates is a good idea. Yeah, just to try and up your mineral content with all this stuff. Yeah, because you're deficient. So what's cool about the EDTA test? It's better at analyzing your elementals, your minerals, basically, so you can see you actually have too much of the iron, manganese, chromium and vanadium.
Speaker 1:You're actually too high on those. And so what happens? Because this is your, and then they're trapped inside your tissue. If we look at your pre-test, for them you're normal, but then, when we look at your post-test, oh wow. So the problem is that all these minerals are trapped inside your tissue. Your body's not utilizing them properly. Wow, and what about the creatinine? So creatinine is how they standardize the test. Creatinine, yes, it means nothing to you or me, just how the company standardizes their tests.
Speaker 2:Okay, so I mean I supplement with creatine. Does that have any impact on?
Speaker 1:creatinine. No, no, no, no. They're literally just measuring how much creatinine is in your urine to standardize how dilute your urine is. Okay um.
Speaker 2:So this is really interesting. Um, what I needed. I know that I have a? Um predisposition for hereditary well. Well, that's redundant at that point For hemochromatosis. So you have to store too much iron.
Speaker 1:Yeah, you do, yeah, it's very. You can see you're 364 times your regular morning iron, whereas you shit. Yeah, I need to back it. So what's cool? I can't memorize all this.
Speaker 2:Does that mean I need to go on a vegan diet? What does this mean? You basically need to chelate.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what about donating blood? You can donate blood, but your problem is I love donating blood it's not in your blood. That's the problem. You do have iron tests. Your iron levels are normal. It's trapped inside your tissue and that. What do I do about that? Evta? Okay, so you can see how much it's pulling out 364 times the how much you're excreting on your own. So we just do a series of those to lower your iron levels right.
Speaker 2:This is all very mind blowing. So it's just kind of turning my head around and all and simultaneously, you know, hosting a podcast, and I definitely feel like I have two IVs in my arm, so it's just a wild thing to try to even try to describe. But I feel great, I'm very excited. I mean this is. It's so nice to have clarity on you know what's going on in your body, discovering your science that's what we're all about. This is the mission coming to life. This is why we do what we do, and to have someone like Dr K here to guide us through it it's a practical way is really a gift and a huge privilege and honor, to say the least. So thanks again for having us here and for taking us through all this. It's really life-changing, Absolutely, yeah, Thanks again for having us here and for taking us through all this.
Speaker 1:It's really life-changing, absolutely yeah, I'm happy that you brought me on, because my whole purpose of the Longevity Center is to bring this out to the world, make it in an affordable way so that people can afford to come do this and change their lives.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, I mean, I didn't think that I could feel so much better than El-Ali did. Yeah, and in just one round of chelation I feel at least 10% more clear, more energized, more focused. And here we are discussing what the next 40 rounds of chelation are going to look like, because my levels were just that high, yeah, so imagine how much better I could feel.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and now really, I pointed this out earlier, I want to point out again you live a very fine-tuned lifestyle. Yeah, the average person with this mercury, they don't feel good on a day-to-day. They have a lot of fatigue, a lot of anxiety.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Maybe even gut issues, and so when they go through chelation, it's utterly life-changing. They start to feel like how you do now yeah, wow.
Speaker 2:So what? And I mean I know that you know you're not a dietician, nutritionist, but but typically when you see something like this, uh, what are some things that I can consider? And I know you're not prescribing anything here I want to make sure we're careful. I will speak to a nutritionist, for sure yeah but what are some things that you can genuinely recommend that I do differently?
Speaker 1:so I'm gonna actually have you start taking molybdenum immediately and you're going to take it every day. And when you take enough molybdenum, what it actually does is it starts to compete with the mercury. So you'll feel like how you will after your domiculation while taking molybdenum.
Speaker 2:Okay, wow, and what about the iron?
Speaker 1:So iron you probably. I would guess you probably need to back off on how much red meat you're eating.
Speaker 2:I have Ever since I got that genetic test done. I definitely did. I also learned that you know I was diagnosed with AED. I took medication for it and you know the issue there. Really, the root cause is yeah, what are you pointing to? The root cause is your mercury.
Speaker 2:Yeah, well, the mercury, but also because, I mean, I was diagnosed when I was eight years old. Yeah, right, uh, but I understand that, uh, this has to do with the substantia nigra and the basal ganglia, yep, and if you have hemochromatosis, you store too much iron, especially in that area of the brain. It can seriously exacerbate the symptoms and, uh, it can lead to early onset Alzheimer's yeah, that's right, and Parkinson's specifically, which I also am genetically predisposed for. Oh my God, I learned that a couple of years ago after my genetic test. That scared the living shit out of me. I learned this while I was on a road trip with my friends in Colorado. While I was on a road trip with my friends in Colorado, we were going up a mountain that we were about to hike. We were pulling up to the campsite to start hiking and I got these results.
Speaker 2:Terrible, terrible timing to open this up and read through the results. And guess what I did? Immediately? I called one of my mentors, dr Wesley Smith, who's the head of nutrition and physiology at the University of Miami, and I was almost like crying to him, like asking for help, with barely any service. We were breaking up on the phone, I was freaking out, having like a panic and anxiety attack, and basically he was like look, man, you're going to be okay, you know. Then I called a friend of mine who specializes in Parkinson's and she laughed at me. She's like a dresser, living, breathing example of exactly what every person who is predisposed or has Parkinson's needs to do to delay or, you know, revert the disease state. But now, dude, I learned this and I'm like scared but also very excited.
Speaker 1:You know this is the next chapter of basically your healthy living journey. Yeah, and so once you what the cool part about chelation is, it's not like an ongoing thing for life. You get through your treatments and then what I tell people is you treat like a routine colonoscopy. Every few years you come get retested. Make sure you're not creeping up. If you're not, we leave you alone. We don't make you do chelation the rest of your life. Right and so it's just. It's a chapter of your life that, once you're closed, you're going to feel amazing the rest of your life.
Speaker 2:Right, and how common would you say, you know, heavy metals? Like how many people have an issue with heavy metals and it's just like totally undiagnosed? Or maybe they're just so used to living their life feeling this way that they don't even think that it could be heavy metals Like how common is this toxicity?
Speaker 1:So the problem is I think it's more common than we let on, and the big gap we have is if you go to your doctor and say, hey, is mercury bad for me? They'll say yes, it is. But if you go to them and say, hey, I got exposed to mercury, what do I do? They say, oh nothing, it'll go away, don't worry about it, because traditional doctors unfortunately aren't trained and have to deal with heavy metals and chelation. That's something I did specialty training in to learn how to treat people, and so I think there's a lot of people walking around out there that are undiagnosed with it and no one can figure out why they have chronic fatigue or anxiety or gut issues or thyroid issues.
Speaker 2:That presents those symptoms and the doctor will treat them in some other way, shape or form, but they ultimately never get to that root cause, which could be heavy metals. Or at the bare minimum, the heavy metals can exacerbate something else in the body Exclamation or yeah. Talk about how do mainstream doctors treat mercury poisoning? Yeah, how do mainstream doctors typically treat mercury poisoning? How do they identify it, how do they treat it?
Speaker 1:They don't. That's the problem. So the way they do it is they'll do a blood test on you for mercury, even if it's high. Their solution is and there was actually an article, I think it was MSNBC had a video about this, don't quote me on the news source, but it was one of the big ones and they went out. They had a doctor come on, what do I do? And the doctor said oh, just stay away from seafood for a couple weeks and you'll be fine, it'll go away. And that's their entire approach. Wow, it'll go away and it doesn't it doesn't, you can see your results.
Speaker 2:Yeah, I know, kyle and I were talking about how you know cilantro, for example, can naturally chelate these heavy metals and how, in my case, for example, it can actually do more harm than good because it can just move stuff around. Yes, can you elaborate and amplify on that point?
Speaker 1:Yeah, absolutely so. There's a couple parts to it. One when you take a lot of these oral chelations, your body doesn't want to absorb them, so it can only chelate what's in your gut, which for some patients is a lot, some patients a little Yours, I suspect is in your brain because of how you reacted to it.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And so when you take spirulina, chlorella and all that stuff, it's binding what's available on the inside of your gut and that's it. That's part of it. The other part of it it's not a permanent bind to mercury, so it can pick it up and if mercury passes by something it likes better, it will detach from the spirulina and rebind to something else, Whereas when you do chelation it's more of a permanent bind. It's forced to excrete, Right.
Speaker 2:And before we get into the specific mechanism of action there, you know how chelation actually works. Because, I mean, it's fascinating to say the least, and it's fascinating how quickly you can start to feel relief. Quickly you can start to feel relief. I believe, and I think you would agree with me here the human body is perfectly designed and after billions of years of evolution, from the time that we were algae, we're beautifully and perfectly designed. However, we live in a modern environment where we're dealing with a load of heavy metals that we're constantly exposed to that is beyond anything that the human body was ever designed to handle. Yep, so this is why we have to go out of our way to key lake heavy metals.
Speaker 1:Yeah, so a big part of mercury is when they were mining for gold. They would use mercury slurries to get the gold out, and then this mercury just washed off into our rainwater and eventually end up in the oceans, and so that's how it's now spread through all of our soil, it's in our food, it's everywhere which 300 years ago, no one was mining for gold, it wasn't a thing, no one cared about it, and so all this mercury was kind of just trapped away.
Speaker 2:Yeah, so since the industrial revolution and just general modernization, you know it's just been, it's ended up in our water and our soil and the air and our food. Yeah, and what about lead? Same thing.
Speaker 1:Lead. Yeah, I mean, the Romans had lead pipes and it's been going on from there. There's an interesting thing. It's now I forget whether it was the poor or the wealthy in rome, but some of them ate from lead plates and some of them ate from I believe it was copper plates, and because one of them was a lot more expensive to get than the other, I think the wealthy had copper, and so the lead would die, or the the poor um, peasants basically would die from lead poison because they were eating off lead plates all the time, whereas the wealthy would eat off copper and live longer. Oh wow. So lead causes lead poisoning and we all know lead poisoning is bad. We all know lead poisoning is bad, you know. That's why all kids in America get tested for lead at age three, because it can significantly stunt development of your brain, of your bones, of a lot of your organs.
Speaker 2:Wow, and you know so. Do you think that? I mean, I was diagnosed with ADD when I was eight years old? Right, and my dad has similar symptoms and issues with his focus. But do you think that exposure to lead early on could be the reason why I had a diagnosis, or do you think mostly it's like a genetic predisposition?
Speaker 1:I hope your mom doesn't listen to this show. She does so oftentimes. Your first exposure to heavy metals is from the mother. Moms can pass heavy metals to their babies while they're pregnant, and so that's usually your first exposure.
Speaker 2:I would love to bring my family here.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:I think that'd be very close identical food. And when I do an awesome spearfishing trip like what I'm going to do next week with hypoxinated blood and no longer breath hold, I always bring that home and I share it with my family, my mom, everyone in my family. We get together and cook, and cooking is just such an important part. One of our if not our number one core values of family is getting together to share meals.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:And fish has been at the forefront of our experience cooking. I mean, every man in my family is a diehard fisherman Okay, except my brother. He's a musician. Except my brother, we're all diehard fisherman Okay, except my brother, he's a musician. Except my brother, we're all diehard fishermen. So there's been a lot of fish and therefore heavy metals you know that we've been exposed to throughout the entire, our entire lifespan.
Speaker 1:So here's where it gets really interesting. Someone pointed this out to me and it's made perfect sense ever since we're in roughly the fourth to fifth generation since the Industrial Revolution. Yeah, and so what happens is moms pass the babies, moms pass the babies over and over and over, and so that's where this arise of things like ADHD and other psychiatric things are coming from. Is that we're finally reaching a bioavailability concentration of mercury that's high enough to trigger these problems. Generation one maybe some of them got affected, but not most. Generation two slightly more Right. So it's by accumulating period and it gets passed on. We've reached that tipping point now where more people than not will be affected by their level. Holy shit, that's terrifying. Yeah, so that's what's really crazy is. Chelation used to be big in the 60s and 70s. You could go almost anywhere and be done. Yeah, a lot of cardiologists were doing it because they found that it helps cardiovascular health. It can help prevent things like stroke. Whatever happened. How political do you get on this?
Speaker 2:We can flirt with the borders of controversy. I'll just give a disclaimer. This is controversial, so just bear with us.
Speaker 1:Okay.
Speaker 2:So we're going to flirt with the borders of controversy here. Little disclaimer this might be a bit controversial.
Speaker 1:Yep, truthfully, it's money gets involved. There's not a lot of money to be made on chelation it's a couple hundred bucks. You can't patent it, it's been around for so long. But there's other things that we can treat patients with heart disease with. That creates a lot of money Heart caths and stents and statins and blood pressure meds. All these things rack up to millions and billions of dollars, whereas chelation a couple hundred bucks.
Speaker 2:Wow, what a fucking shame.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:We need to start doing better as a country. Yeah, I think you and I share similar clinical views. I think most people tuning in could probably figure out what that is.
Speaker 2:Yeah, uh, we'll just leave it at that yep, but oh my gosh, I am crossing my fingers and I hope that in 12 days, we uh change the trajectory of our health well-being. And you know, longevity as we know it. Yeah, there's some key players in place that can really help us do that that. That would be amazing if that happened. You know, longevity as we know it.
Speaker 1:Yeah, there's some key players in place that can really help us do that. That would be amazing if that happened. You know, a big shift in the medical system, I think. Unfortunately, covid, it opened up a lot of people's eyes that maybe what you're being told by, you know, big pharma, big government, isn't the best thing for your general being Keep the country running and keep the country moving. But as an individual person, it's probably not the best thing to be doing. Like, remember when they were having people stand six feet apart and they came out and said, hey, actually that's not really a thing. We made that up, yeah, and they had people washing packages. That got delivered, yeah. How did any of that make sense? Yeah.
Speaker 2:Oh man Wow no-transcript.
Speaker 1:Your friends you know. Basically it starts like this One person will come in my office and they'll get better, and they'll tell a couple of their friends and they'll get better. And that's how we spread the word. Best thing is word of mouth.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Because, unfortunately, when you go online and Google this stuff, there's so much misinformation. You basically have to be a doctor to figure out what you're actually reading, which the average person can't do and no one expects them to do. Right.
Speaker 2:Right, and so let's shift gears and speak on the actual mechanisms of action and these chelation IVs. How are they going in and binding to these tissues, like what's actually happening there?
Speaker 1:Yeah, so it's like we talked about. It's a key in a hole system where mercury and molybdenum they have the same. Basically teeth keys that can plug into the hole that your body's looking for to plug in.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:And mercury is smaller and lighter than molybdenum, so it gets preferentially picked up and plugged into your tissue and molybdenum gets excreted because your body can't tell the difference and just thinks you have too much molybdenum. It doesn't know it's mercury, right. And the same thing happens with all of the heavy metals there's.
Speaker 2:All of them have an element that they compete with okay and so, but like the ebdta, or e, ebdta, ebdta, okay. So what is what's in there and what's it actually doing? Is it similar to molybdenum? No, so.
Speaker 1:EBDTA. Let me talk about what the mercury DMPS one is just a little bit easier to explain it. Yeah, the DMPS, with the mercury Mercury on its basically butt end, has thiol bonds that it can attach to, and the thiol bond is more of a. We're getting super chemistry here. That's fine, I don't care what this show's about Awesome. So it's a dual. So mercury will attach to any thiol bond and it has the ability to attach to one or two, and so DMPS has two available thiol bonds for it. So if it binds to something with one thiogroup, like spirulina, it can, then you know something else the other thiobond is still available and it can break off and attach. Oh wow, when it binds to DMPS, it's got two thiobonds. So its receptors are full and locked in. Yep, it's locked in.
Speaker 2:We're locking in Arborecarida. What is it? Ebps, edta? Arboricurita, uh, what is it? Evps? Edta, yeah, edta. And then the other one, dmps, dmps. You know, through 40 of these treatments you'll get, oh yeah, I'll get it, it'll be like clockwork, um, okay, and so it's, it's binding to these, uh, you know, thanks to the thial bond, and then it's, it's they stick together, and then it's it's they stick together, and yeah, then you can excrete it, yeah, because once it's bound to the dmps, it's stuck in your bloodstream and it can't bind to anything else.
Speaker 2:It can't bind to any cells, so boom correct. You're forced to excrete it through your some mostly urine, some stool, okay and and what if you hook someone up to a machine that had, you know, uh, edta or whatever, and it had an IV running all day long? Would that work?
Speaker 1:You mean like basically adding EDTA to the EBU filter?
Speaker 2:Yeah, Instead of having to come in for so many sessions.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the problem is it needs to go through your bloodstream, through your body, because it's not in your blood, it's in your tissue, so the blood needs to interact with your tissue so the EDTA can hit it.
Speaker 2:It needs to take its time to actually get in there, pull it out and then excrete it.
Speaker 1:Yes, Okay, I do have patients that will do chelation, either right before an EBU to make it more available in your bloodstream, or, if they really struggle with doing chelation, we'll do EBU and then chelation right after. What would do ebu and then chelation right after, because the ebu will lower. We do that today. Yeah, we can absolutely key. Let's do that, um, and so what happens is the ebu will lower your overall toxic burden so that when you chelate and stir up more into your bloodstream, there's basically quote unquote space for it and it doesn't overburden you.
Speaker 2:Wow, anything else you think we should cover related to the heavy metals before we dive in, and some more of the eboo science um I think we've.
Speaker 1:I think we've drove down heavy metals enough, more than what most people want to hear about okay, great.
Speaker 2:So so tell us. I mean, why don't we start with why and how you designed this thing? Because that's yeah that's really fascinating and I want to absolutely so, you're actually.
Speaker 1:So we run this thing basically for an hour. You're getting pretty close to that hour so we can continue the podcast. I'm just have to pause and unplug you for a second. Um, basically there's three commercial uh generators. You can just buy a pre-made eboo system, and I'm not gonna name any names. I'm going to say anything bad about anyone, but basically I found in my opinion that there was something wrong with each of those three EBU commercial machines out there, so I based mine on the Malaysian protocol. Ebu came out of Malaysia like 30 years ago.
Speaker 2:Why, why?
Speaker 1:Why was it made? The guy that invented it just lives in Malaysia. His name is, I won't say his name actually.
Speaker 2:But what's the purpose? What was the original purpose of this machine?
Speaker 1:IV ozone has been around for a very long time. Right, nikolai Tesla had the first medicinal-grade ozone generator and you would sell them. That's how long this has been around 100 years, and basically we're just always looking to advance our treatments. Right, so ozone when you do regular ozone treatment right so ozone when you do regular ozone treatment, especially if you do multi-pass or major, your bag or your bottle gets really gunky and nasty looking. Have you ever done ib ozone before?
Speaker 2:No.
Speaker 1:Okay, so your bottle gets really gunky looking. It's fibrinogen and other toxins in there and as you do those ozone treatments, you just pass that gunk out of you, we treat it and then we put it right back in you. With EBU we're filtering it off so it never passes back into you. So all those Herxheimer effects that you can hear about with ozone I don't really get with my EBU system because I've tuned it to avoid Herxin. Wow, what was that?
Speaker 2:process like.
Speaker 1:About two years. I would say I'm pretty close to perfect with it now. It's been about two years since I started doing it. I've done hundreds plural of treatments. It's myself and I have another friend out in Australia. He bought, he bought all the parts, I bought all the parts and we just talked on the phone all the time until we kind of tuned it Now.
Speaker 2:typically, I start the show by asking my guests why they do what they do. Yep, so I feel like I need to ask you this question after the fact, because this is absolutely fucking wild. Yeah and uh, what? What kind of license do you need to get to create something like this and hook someone up to it? You know? Yeah, so now that we've seen it and what it can do, why don't you tell us why you started doing what you do, man, yeah so I'll answer your question in reverse order.
Speaker 1:Okay, you want a doctor on site, unfortunately, and, and you know, nurses are very well qualified, nurse practitioners are very well qualified and this machine it runs really easy, right, I haven't touched it at all since we started. Yeah, that's because I can tell how well this is running just by sound, because I've done so many of them. Okay, and if something goes wrong, I know how to fix it easily. But when I first started my first couple of treatments, I literally shot blood across the room because that's what I was doing, and so you know I would miss a clamp, I'd turn on the wrong thing at the wrong time and it over pressurized or under pressurized and things would go wrong. And so you have great veins. Things are moving really smoothly for you. For patients with bad veins, this doesn't move smoothly at all.
Speaker 2:This sound you can hear, the sound is different. Yeah, really.
Speaker 1:Yeah, yeah. So I mean that's just for me. I can that pump especially, and just all the noises machines are making, all the hums I can hear when it changes because it's not getting enough blood or too much blood or whatever's wrong with it.
Speaker 2:Oh wow.
Speaker 1:So you want a doctor that's familiar with this thing to be on site actually monitoring your treatment. Right, and that's my opinion. How many of these have you done, how many sessions? As far as I know, I've done more than almost anyone in America. I've only met one person that got to do more than me, and that's because he was part of the clinical trials with it. Okay, I've done best. Guess now probably 600, 700 of them, wow, the last two years.
Speaker 2:Wow. And so how did you get started? I mean, what drove, what drives your passion, your obsession with this stuff? Absolutely yeah. What started all this?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So basically my whole story is I've wanted to be a doctor since I was little. My dad he's not a doctor, but he does craniosacral therapy up in New Jersey. So when I first went to medical school I didn't really have a clear idea of what I wanted to do. I was like, maybe I'll do cardiology or surgery or something. I just knew I wanted to be a doctor. And then, as I was getting through med school, I was like, maybe I'll just go back to New Jersey and do osteopathic manipulation with him.
Speaker 1:And then halfway through med school they sent me to a hospital in Miami for rotations where I met the doctor that I used to work for and I met him and I followed him around for a month. And then I had really bad TMJ and I had neck issues. So I got into this, actually because of stem cells. We put stem cells in my jaw, we did PRP on my neck and that was the first relief I'd had in years and chronic headaches went away, the jaw pain went away, and so I followed him around for another month, another month. He also does all of this stuff. So I learned from him how to do chelation, how to do ozone, and then I realized the big need. You know there's a lot of doctors offering stem cells out there and I still offer it and I like to think I'm quite good at that stuff. But the need is chelation and ozone treatments for heavy metals and mold being done well and properly, and that's where the big need is and in a cost-effective way as well.
Speaker 1:Yes, you know I'm not scared to put my prices out there because I know I'm one of the cheaper people in the country, because I'm willing to More inexpensive, not cheaper. Yeah, more inexpensive, I like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I'm willing to take a lower margin to make sure that people can actually heal, yeah. So you know I'm doing chelation for $200 and I'm doing full dose. Yeah, a session, full dose, full strength, chelation for $200. Almost anyone else offering for that price is unfortunately giving you a half dose. So they get to. You know, split a bottle between two patients or stuff like that.
Speaker 2:Wow, and what about the EBU? How much is this, to pick the first?
Speaker 1:EBU. So EBU here is $800. The next cheapest place, I think more inexpensive, yes, so I'm 800. The next most inexpensive place is, I think, 12 or $1,300. Yeah, and then from there it goes really starts about 2000 and goes up per treatment.
Speaker 2:And these are machines that are not as sophisticated as this one.
Speaker 1:Correct, there are a few. I'm not the only one to have built my own. There was a guy that you could actually take his course and learn how to build your own. Very few people took him up on it and actually followed through on it.
Speaker 2:That's crazy.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Mad scientist Borderline sociopathic.
Speaker 1:No, we're here to help people 100%.
Speaker 2:I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1:No, last October I got invited out to speak at SOPCON, which was basically like the National Eboo Convention. All the people doing Eboo got invited to come to this thing and that's kind of where I learned. Was Dexter there? Who, dexter Morgan? He was not there. No, very funny, he would love this thing, but no, that's where I learned. You know, I would hear patients or doctors talking about how their patients have this problem or this problem and people would look at me and be like you've done so many of these, do you have these problems? I'd be like, honestly, no, I've only had maybe five people ever have a problem with Eboo. What were those problems? A couple were truly psychosomatic, as in they did Eboo, and they were just so convinced that they were sick and nothing could ever help them that they just basically drove himself into an anxiety attack.
Speaker 2:During the EBU.
Speaker 1:No, afterwards. Okay, I did have two Herxheimer reactions. I had 700. I've had two Herxheimer reactions and those people they were some of the sickest patients I've ever had, so I'm not surprised. And actually both of them continued with treatment as they did more and more treatments.
Speaker 2:The Herx timing went away and they actually started to feel better with the E-boost. Wow, yeah, alright. Well, let's take this. Seems like we're done with the E-boost session, if it's alright and I know this is going to be another controversial topic we can or we don't have to talk about it. But can we talk about vaccines and heavy metals? Just the facts, just how they contain heavy metals.
Speaker 1:I'll explain it in a way that government agrees with me, because they are very public about this part. The fact is that the way a vaccine is supposed to work is we inject you with a dead virus, your body attacks it, learns what its weaknesses are and learns how to kill it. We can all agree with that, right, okay, the problem is, if I inject you with a dead virus, your body simply won't care. There's nothing for it to do, it's already dead. We can agree with that statement.
Speaker 2:Okay sure.
Speaker 1:Yeah, this is all just basic facts about it. The last fact is we need an immune-stimulating, immune stimulating component to basically trigger your immune system to attack the dead virus. Okay, you know what? One of the best immune stimulating components is Heavy metals. Heavy metals, that's right Mercury, aluminum, graphene oxide, basically any heavy metal triggers inflammation, immune response and your body ends up attacking that virus. So they have to put in heavy metals to make the vaccine work.
Speaker 2:And they just they stay in your body, they stay in your body, they stay in your body. Wow, so even my dog could benefit from this company. You mentioned the Paleo. Yeah, because he got his round of vaccines and now he has heavy metals that we can pull out.
Speaker 1:Yeah, what's interesting. So when I was doing that with my dog, I could visibly tell that the days I gave it to her and I only give it to her once a week the days I gave it to her she was tired all day in the beginning and eventually, as we got towards the end of the bottle of it, she stopped reacting to it.
Speaker 2:Wow, oh man, and I don't know if you're familiar with the EWG website and the tap water database, you know. I wanted to ask you know how accurate is that, and is there any tap water that's safe to drink?
Speaker 1:No, tap water is not safe to drink. Look, go on there.
Speaker 2:Look up your. Why is it legal to you know how is that legal?
Speaker 1:Why was there no federal limit on the amount of lead allowed in our food? Yeah, do you hear about that with the baby food? Can you tell us? Can you remind us Ashdell? So it was a company. This happened earlier this year. A company got flagged by the state of California for having too much lead in their applesauce. It was cinnamon-flavored applesauce, and when the FDA investigated, their first answer was well, there's no federal limit on the amount of lead allowed in food. And so, as the FDA investigated further, a whistleblower actually came out and said well, there's monetary involvement, lead is sweet, lead is also cheaper than sugar and there's lead in the cinnamon.
Speaker 1:There's lead in the cinnamon supplier that was in the applesauce and the applesauce companies just didn't care. They knew and did not care.
Speaker 2:That's just the world that we live in.
Speaker 1:Yeah, and the other one? Did you hear about the? It was baby. I forget the company. Baby Oat like cereal for babies without oats, had like four times the amount of glyphosate allowed Babies.
Speaker 2:That's our future.
Speaker 1:Yeah.
Speaker 2:Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, and I want to state that you know, we're not shooting this podcast to fear monger, but this is just how fucked up. This is just the fact yeah, excuse my French, but I'm. It really frustrates me how incredibly dangerous and toxic this world is. You know, just living your life yeah you don't have. Your body just can't handle this toxic load that we're under.
Speaker 1:And so props to Consumer Reports who over the last year, have been going out and testing all sorts of different industries. This is a major magazine that's going out and saying hey, chocolate has heavy metal burdens, protein powders have heavy metal burdens. So they're out there and putting this into the public so it's no longer like behind closed doors, underground stuff, this is public knowledge now.
Speaker 2:Yeah, wow. Do you think that there is ever going to be a reality where we can live our lives, you know, and handle the toxic load that we're under because it's maybe slower? Is there any way to undo the damage that we've done and just live our lives as regular human beings and not have to go out of our way chelating and doing EBU to feel better about ourselves?
Speaker 1:You know, I think that if all these toxins were banned over a few generations, yeah, the world would clean up. The earth is really good at cleaning itself. For example, kale, this new wonder vegetable that everyone's eating. You know what? Kale is really really good at Cleaning soil. It's really good at pulling all the toxins into itself, out of the soil, and so then you eat the toxins in the kale. Well, I don't know why everyone's eating kale. I would never eat kale.
Speaker 2:Really.
Speaker 1:No, kale and actually marijuana plants are both really good at soil cleaning.
Speaker 2:Really yeah. So smoking weed, you're smoking heavy metals, or?
Speaker 1:Yeah, heavy metals, and actually a lot of mold is in weed as well.
Speaker 2:Really Wow. And you know something else I wanted to talk to you about. You mentioned this when we first met how typically, when you have high heavy metals and the symptoms that I described, you know brain fog and fatigue that typically there's parasites involved as well. Yes, you told me about some kind of biofilm around the parasites. Can you tell us a little more about that?
Speaker 1:Yeah. So what happens is the way molds and parasites survive in the body is they create a biofilm around themselves. This is not groundbreaking news. This is not anything very fancy. Everyone knows about this. Biofilm is a protein shield around the mold, and it typically carries a charge. The problem is mold shouldn't be able to charge themselves in nature. It's not something that should be able to do. So what they found is that the fungus mold will anchor themselves to heavy metals, borrow the charge from them and build their biofilm to repel antifungals. And so until you chelate and remove the heavy metals, you can never fully clear the mold. Or if you do somehow fully clear out the mold, you can always be re-exposed and it'll immediately re-bind to you so these bad guys team up to do more damage in your body yep, exactly can you, can you guys, believe this?
Speaker 2:this is just mind-boggling. Mind-boggling and very um. It worries me, you know, worries me, and it worries me about the future of, you know, my kids and their generations.
Speaker 1:You know, like I don't see the world getting better no, sadly, if we keep going the way we're going, it's not, it's only getting worse. Sadly, if we keep going the way we're going, it's only getting worse.
Speaker 2:How common should therapies like these be? I mean, in an ideal world at least, you know the world as we know it now.
Speaker 1:In an ideal world, your primary care offers this stuff in their office.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and can a primary care physician offer something like this or?
Speaker 1:do they have?
Speaker 2:to have a background like yours.
Speaker 1:So technically I'm family medicine board. That was. My initial training was in family medicine. It's just I chose to go into all of this stuff instead of practicing quote-unquote traditional medicine yeah any doctor can do this. They just need to go through the training and learn well I mean, I think, uh, why don't we call it here? Yeah on that depressing note On that depressing note.
Speaker 2:How do you feel about your book? I feel great, man. I feel really good, I feel very energized and happy. Would you do it again? Absolutely yeah, that was really fun. Nothing scary.
Speaker 1:Nothing to be afraid of.
Speaker 2:No, initially I was like what the hell am I doing? But yeah, I mean, I feel great. I feel like I almost feel like I got another shot of espresso or something. I just feel, you know great.
Speaker 1:Hyperoxygenation.
Speaker 2:Yeah, you know it's. I'm really excited to see this play out in my spearfishing trip.
Speaker 1:Yeah, the last thing I'll leave us on. You know, like oxygen bars we we go and get a hundred percent oxygen for a few minutes and it makes you feel really heady and good. Now we did that, but like a thousand times stronger.
Speaker 2:Yeah, and you mentioned, how you know, compared to like beetroot powders and other nitric oxide boosting compounds, this is like significantly better. I think you gave me exact and exact percentage, or-.
Speaker 1:I said hyperbaric, hyperbaric right, yeah, it boosts you up by like roughly three to 5%, right. I said hyperbaric, hyperbaric, right, yeah, it boosts you up by like roughly 3% to 5%, right, this boosts you up by like 30%. I'm talking about oxygen packed in for red blood cell.
Speaker 2:So I can maybe even tonight I can monitor my resting heart rate and it should technically be lower. Yeah, because my well ABO2 difference is higher right, I would expect that, yeah, okay. Pulse ox would be reading closer to 100 and you know heart rate Well. To maintain the same cardiac output I can afford a lower racing heart rate because the ABO2 difference is higher.
Speaker 1:Yep exactly.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:Throw some nerd on them.
Speaker 2:Yeah right, awesome man. Well, I'll tell you what. One last question for you, man, if you could put a word, message or phrase on a billboard somewhere in the world.
Speaker 1:what would it say and where would you put it? You know I'm going to borrow Coach Kyle's slogan it's always be chelating.
Speaker 2:Okay, nice, Shout out to Kyle man. What a guy yeah.
Speaker 1:And truthfully you know that should be everywhere.
Speaker 2:Yeah.
Speaker 1:It's like you know those Chick-fil-A signs. Eat more chicken.
Speaker 2:Always be chelating. Nice, Nice man. Well, Dr K, it's been an honor and pleasure, Absolutely. Thank you so much. Yeah, we'll be back soon for more chelation and I can't wait to show you the amazing fish and dive times that I accomplished with this. You know, hyperoxygenated blood cell.
Speaker 1:I love it. We're farther in fish for chelation right.
Speaker 2:For sure. I can't guarantee that it's going to be a low heavy metal, high selenium therapeutic index. Fish it's going to be larger. Wahoo probably have heavier, you know more heavy metals.
Speaker 1:You know what's funny? Patients ask me all the time like, should I not eat tuna, should I not eat swordfish? And my answer is always I can chelate you far faster than you get mercury into yourself. So if I have to do one extra chelation a year and eat whatever I want. That's how I live my life, oh, beautiful.
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