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Quick-Fire Wisdom from Chris Williamson, Ben Greenfield, Patrick McKeown, Siim Land and More -  What the World's Top Biohackers Really Shared in Austin

• Andrés Preschel • Episode 134

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Hello and welcome back to the Know Your Physio podcast! This is a truly special one – episode 134 comes to you straight from the vibrant floors of the first-ever Health Optimization Summit held in the USA, right in Austin, Texas. It was an incredible gathering of brilliant minds, and instead of our usual format, I grabbed my mic for some run-and-gun style interviews to capture the potent insights being shared amidst the amazing energy of the summit.

In this compilation episode, you'll get rapid-fire wisdom from some absolute titans in the health, performance, and longevity space. Get ready for quick, impactful conversations with renowned figures like Chris Williamson, Ben Greenfield, and Patrick McKeown, alongside experts diving deep into hormone health, longevity strategies, cutting-edge skincare, and so much more. We cover everything from the nuances of breathing physiology and testosterone optimization to mindset hacks and the importance of community.

Bringing this episode together was an exhilarating experience, and I'm thrilled to share this diverse collection of cutting-edge ideas directly with you. It's a unique chance to hear directly from multiple leaders pushing the boundaries of human potential, all packed into one dynamic episode. Tune in to get inspired and learn actionable strategies from the very forefront of the health optimization movement!

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Timestamps:

[00:03:01] Why ask better questions?

[00:04:39] Choosing the right partner.

[00:09:40] Breathing and oxygen delivery.

[00:13:47] Longevity and chronic disease prevention.

[00:15:02] Testosterone decline in men.

[00:19:10] Free testosterone and SHBG.

[00:22:36] Endocrine-disrupting chemicals and testosterone.

[00:26:01] Air and water purification methods.

[00:29:04] Longevity and skin communication.

[00:35:41] Health empowerment through menopause.

[00:38:10] Heavy weights for health benefits.

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Andres Preschel:
Hello and welcome to episode number 134 of the Know Your Physio podcast. I'm your host Andres Purcell, physiologist, neuroscientist, and health coach to world-class executives, professionals, and athletes. This is a very, very special episode because It's a compilation of run and gun style clips that are recorded with some of the brilliant minds I met at the Health Optimization Summit in Austin, Texas, the very first of its kind here in the USA. Typically these, or rather the summit is held in London. I want to give a shout out to some very special people who helped bring all of the conversations and ideas that you're about to tune into together. So first of all, thanks to Tim Gray who organized this summit. Thanks for everything that you do. I know you work so hard to bring these events to life and bring like minds and some of the most incredible cutting edge ideas in the health, performance and longevity space under one roof. So thanks to Tim Gray. Tim biohacker on Instagram. I'm going to give a huge shout out to the raw optics team. So the best glasses you can wear throughout the day for circadian biology, the foundation of your health while being in performance. And, uh, man, I was so honored to collaborate with you guys in this event. Thank you for inviting me for flying me out. Me and my lovely girlfriend flying us out. for taking care of our accommodations, our meals, and for letting us be a part of this story and this mission with you guys. We love you like family. Shout out to Matt Maruca, the CEO, to Tim Jacobson, to Jacqueline, Matt's mom, Amara, to Joe, congrats on your baby. I know you couldn't be with us, we were there in spirit. Robbie, Sam, my lovely girlfriend Gami, and of course, Jono. who's got his own lovely podcast, Whole Health. Check it out. And anybody else that helped us bring this stream together, thank you. Thanks for interacting with us at the conference. We crushed it and the conference as a whole was a huge success. So let's jump right into the show. You'll be hearing from some really interesting people, including but not limited to Chris Williamson, Ben Greenfield, Patrick McKeown, and much, much more. Enjoy the show, and I'll see you on the other side. Thank you for taking the time, by the way. This is fancy, look at this. Yeah, it's a super simple little setup. Yeah, yeah, very good. So, three questions for you. Number one, why do you do what you do?

Chris Williamson: I wanted to learn about myself and the world around me and I got to the end of my 20s and kind of didn't have an operating manual for how to be a human and I figured if I started my own podcast then maybe I'd get some answers.

Andres Preschel: lovely and I saw a post you made recently about how you know the first couple years you got like no views and then all of a sudden it completely popped off and your life changed and how do you keep yourself humble you know after experiencing that vast change how do you keep yourself so humble?

Chris Williamson: I'm British so we we are allergic to having egos largely unless you're Russell Brandt the only British person with an ego is Russell Brandt so I found it pretty easy to keep my feet on the ground and also If you've got high standards for yourself, you never get out over your own skis.

Andres Preschel: Nowadays you can say that you make a living and you help people by asking great questions. What's the easiest way to ask better questions?

Chris Williamson: Keep them short. They don't need to be a long question. Try and follow your curiosity as well. What do you want to know? Sort of have faith that the thing you want to know is actually interesting. And don't be scared of silence either. You ask a question and the guests sort of look for a little bit. You don't need to fill it. They'll fill it with their words.

Andres Preschel: I loved your episode with Dry Creek. Dwayne. Dry Creek Dwayne. Yeah. All about marriage and finding the right partner.

Chris Williamson: He's coming back on soon.

Andres Preschel: Lovely. So my girlfriend actually sent it to me after she listened to it and it was just like, it was really life changing.

Chris Williamson: Glad to hear that.

Andres Preschel: What are some of the biggest takeaways that you've gained from your podcast about choosing the right partner?

Chris Williamson: We had a lot of conversations about this. Be careful who you let yourself fall in love with, because the passionate attraction system is a fucking roller coaster. So you need to basically consider you falling in love as kind of like an insane person, and you before you fall in love as kind of like a manager of another person that's gonna come along. So you need to use some rationality when you're not in the hormonal soup, because once you're in it, you're just kind of off to the races. Yeah, precisely, precisely.

Andres Preschel: Well, I have one more question. I know I promised you three. That's all right, keep going. If you could put a word, message, or phrase on a billboard somewhere in the world, what would it say and where would you put it?

Chris Williamson: Somewhere with high traffic, I don't know, Times Square or Leicester Square in London or something. And it's a quote from my friend George Mac that says, adults don't exist. It basically means that no one's coming to save you, no one has any idea what they're doing. Don't put stock or faith in anybody. because most people are just, it's idiots all the way up, basically. No matter how smart, accomplished they seem, most people are just stumbling forward. And that's reassuring to me as someone that's perennially uncertain at times. I think it's really nice to know that The people that you admire, they're no better than you, they're no more anything than you, they're just people and they're fallible and flawed and uncertain and scared and fearful and they want reassurance and validation and they're subject to perverse incentives and maybe you have something to add within that industry as well and maybe you should back yourself a bit more.

Andres Preschel: What do you wish more people knew about you that they can get from your podcast?

Chris Williamson: that I don't think you need to believe that you can do it to make it. You know, I'm a good example of somebody, you know, fake it until you make it. I'm kind of the opposite. I'm sort of make it until you believe it. Continue to work hard whilst not really having much idea about whether or not it was going to go well. And then arriving sort of like one day and just poking your head above the water and going, oh, It was alright. It seems to have been a success. I want to be a role model for the sensitive person that also wants to be a fucking animal. I'm trying to balance those two things. Some days I'm more animal and some days I'm more sensitive. I think it's good.

Andres Preschel: I really appreciate you. Great questions.

Chris Williamson: Thank you.

Andres Preschel: All right, here with Ben Greenfield once again. Ben, biggest takeaway from this conference thus far?

Ben Greenfield: I mean, there's a lot of cool stuff here. I guess one thing I laid down on earlier today, it's kind of fancy and probably not the cheapest thing here is that human regenerator machine that uses liquid hot magma or something to charge you up. Felt pretty good when I got off it, so yeah.

Andres Preschel: What can we say about loneliness and this epidemic of male loneliness, well, general loneliness? What are the first steps that a young person can take to improve the quality of their friendships, relationships, and community?

Ben Greenfield: There's a lot of stuff that you can do. I think the number one thing is to understand that, and this is backed by research, that a digital interaction doesn't replicate a real human flesh and blood interaction. Hormonally, olfactory, electromagnetically, you name it. So understand that there's a big difference between real people and digital people.

Andres Preschel: And why is it so harmful for us to be isolated?

Ben Greenfield: Because it's built into our DNA to need to function within a tribe. And we freak out, subconsciously and physiologically, when we don't.

Andres Preschel: Last question for you. If you had a word, message, or phrase to put on a billboard to someone in the world, what would you say and where would you put it?

Ben Greenfield: It would probably be something very light-hearted and Funny like I don't know Stupid dad joke like what did the pirate say on his 80th birthday?

Andres Preschel: I'm a t I'm a Nice sweet, dude. All the best.

Ben Greenfield: Yeah.

Andres Preschel: Yeah. All right. So we're here with Patrick from the oxygen advantage. Welcome back It's good to have you. Pleasure. Thanks very much. What do more people need to know about the physiology of their breathing?

Patrick McKeown: I think it needs to get back to basics, you know. In terms of breathing, people are very often into breathing more air and ultimately may not know what that means, what happens when you breathe too much air. In essence, you're getting rid of too much carbon dioxide and that in turn reduces blood flow and reduces oxygen delivery. So in short, the more air you breathe relative to what you need, the less oxygen that's being delivered to where you need it. So if people have a habit in their everyday life of breathing too much air, or if for example they're working out or doing say yoga practice and in that process they're taking these full deep breaths and they believe that there's going to be more oxygen roaming throughout the body, that's not necessarily the case. So I think we need to kind of embrace breathing and go back to the physiology and think about yes, well what happens between oxygen and carbon dioxide? What happens when you change your breathing and the autonomic nervous system? How can you influence your blood circulation, oxygen delivery? And of course, how do you improve your sleep? It's kind of all tied in together. So I had a talk today and it was for breathing to help to improve blood flow to the brain and also blood flow to the heart. And a potent vasodilator is carbon dioxide. and every one millimeter increase of CO2, which is very minor, it increased blood flow to the brain by three or four percent. So if we practice breathing a little bit less air, slowing down and softening our breathing to the point of air hunger, we can increase blood flow to the brain by between five and ten percent. That's important.

Andres Preschel: So my follow-up question was going to be, you know, what is air hunger and what is the hormetic benefit of air hunger?

Patrick McKeown: So air hunger is a sensation that you would like to take in a deeper breath and that's driven primarily by an accumulation of carbon dioxide in the blood. Now of course you could have air hunger because of a fear response but let's put that aside. Let's just focus on air hunger due to the accumulation of carbon dioxide. We deliberately have exercises that we're reducing breathing volume to increase carbon dioxide in the lungs and in turn increase carbon dioxide in the blood leaving the lungs to help improve blood circulation. Now in terms of a hormetic stress, I think it is an application there because air hunger is a primal fear. So we as human beings have a fear for lack of food, lack of water and lack of air. And air hunger is probably quite a significant primal fear. However, We don't want to dose it too high, that it really scares the life out of people. We also have to bear in mind that everybody has a different relationship with their breathing. So it's ultimately a controlled dose of air hunger, that's a slight hermetic stress to desensitize their reaction to air hunger, to allow them to surrender to the sensation of discomfort, to train the brain not to react to discomfort, and also to help in terms of improving their everyday breathing in the long term.

Andres Preschel: And my last question for you today is, if you could put a word, a message, or a phrase on a billboard somewhere in the world, what would it say and where would you put it?

Patrick McKeown: Breathe through your nose. That's it. Simple as that.

Andres Preschel: Thank you so much.

Patrick McKeown: Thank you.

Andres Preschel: Yeah. Alrighty, I'm here with Simland.

Sim Land: How are you? I'm good. Sweet.

Andres Preschel: First question for you, man. Why do you do what you do?

Sim Land: I do, I guess, contemplation about longevity and research about it because I want to figure it out for myself. Like, how do I, you know, live myself longer and prevent getting chronic diseases? That's like the, I guess, the foundation. But I also as an anthropologist, I'm interested in, like, life extension and what does it mean to be human if we will be able to live, you know, 200, 300 years of age.

Andres Preschel: And as they say, it takes being selfish to be selfless. So as you embark on your own journey, you get to learn about it, you get to share that with other people from a place of experience. And of course, reflecting what the research says. If you could put a word, message or phrase on a billboard somewhere in the world, what would it say and where would you put it?

Sim Land: Wow. I would. I mean, yeah, like, you know, it's obviously I don't know, it's not a cliche, but something like family or community matters or something like that. I think that's, at the end of the day, that's what matters for most people. And I think you could be the healthiest person in the world, but if you're alone, then it doesn't matter. So it's like, yeah, don't neglect that or lose sight of that, the relationships and friends and family.

Andres Preschel: And what would you say is the most important thing that you've learned about longevity? I know it's a loaded question, but of everything you've seen, what's the one thing that everybody needs to know, in your opinion, about longevity?

Sim Land: Yeah, for longevity, you know, it comes down to preventing getting chronic diseases and that prevention starts, you know, as early as possible. A lot of chronic diseases take decades to develop, you know, heart disease and Alzheimer's and cancer, they progress over the course of decades, so you want to start early in that sense. So, focusing on the ways how you can prevent them and, you know, track certain blood markers, do certain tests, you know, eat healthy, exercise, all those things, ways to get there, but how do you see, are you heading towards that disease or not, is through tracking things. So if you don't track things, then you don't know if you're heading in the wrong direction. Yeah, like if you're fit and you're healthy, look healthy, and you eat, and you cover the fundamentals, you can presume that you're healthy, right, and you're heading in the right direction. But if you don't track it, then you never really 100% know.

Andres Preschel: Well, it gets measured, it gets managed. Awesome, man. Thank you so much. All right, I'm here with Miguel and Carlos from MHI. Yes, sir. And we're doing a little two-minute podcast.

SPEAKER_02: I like this little app you got going on. It's incredible. It's a great little setup. You're very high-tech, man.

Andres Preschel: Yeah, bro, I gotta keep it simple. I mean, I got a camera guy. I don't know how this works, but… Well, look, what does everybody need to know about testosterone and hormone therapy?

Carlos : Well, I mean, the fact that we've lost 53% in the last… 59 actually now, but… 59 now in the last 45 years of human existence, I think that would tell us that, you know, in any room that you walk in, you know, you're walking around with at least half the testosterone that you should be walking around with, so… You know, a lot of people get nervous about talking about testosterone because it's usually been marketed as some kind of perform enhancer or some, you know, virility enhancer. But what we're really talking about is brain health and heart health, right? When you consider that the most amount of testosterone receptors in your body, you have two spots for the most amounts of testosterone receptors in your body. Number one, your heart. Number two, your brain. And you're walking around with half that filled. I mean, that's a problem. That's a problem.

Andres Preschel: What do more men need to do to increase the amount and buy availability before they consider hormone therapy?

SPEAKER_02: Well, first get tested. You want to get tested and see where you're at because if you're in the 200, 300 range, listen, if you invent a product that gets you into a thousand range, I want to invest in whatever you're doing because we're yet to see it. And also tests for microplastics. In 2024 there were microplastics found in every sperm test done. I mean every testicle sac tested in men. Were you in that study? No, no, no. No, but I'm sure your ass was in that study.

Carlos : You just never been in it. For people that really want to find out, you really want to test for total testosterone, free testosterone, sex from rheumatic globulin, estradiol, and PSA, right? LH and FSH, of course. But, you know, like Miguel was saying, man, I mean, doing this for a long time, you know, you consider that the average 80-year-old back in the 60s had an average production of 800. So if you're in the 300 range and you're in your 30s, and you can get over $1,000 and sustain it long term for $1,000, please tell me what it is because I will invest all of my money into that. I'll stop taking testosterone.

SPEAKER_02: What are you guys at?

SPEAKER_10: I'll do what you're doing. What are you guys at?

SPEAKER_02: You want some testosterone? I got some right there. Just open that pocket. Are you serious? Yeah. They're Kaiser Trek right there in that little pocket.

SPEAKER_10: Are you serious? Yeah.

SPEAKER_02: You're gonna see a bag with a bunch of white little capsules, bro, big capsules. You don't see the big capsules in here?

Carlos : I got you, I got you while you're holding the camera. Right there, right there. If you guys could take two steps back, I just want to make sure. I got the load. You want me to take this? Yeah, it's FDA approved, oral method of testosterone. You can't find my testosterone, bro. It doesn't shut down your own natural production. You're gonna have me take this right now? You can if you want to. No, you're in the wrong pocket, man. Yeah, you can take it right now, bro.

SPEAKER_02: It has a four to six hour half-life. You're gonna want to have sex, I'm sure you're gonna want to… Okay, but you're gonna walk around with… It doesn't necessarily do that.

Carlos : Oh, dude, I'm wearing white pants, too. I'm literally I'm about to take the Sasha in the middle of fucking help 400 milligrams 400 milligrams, but it doesn't it's not like injectable. So don't don't measure.

Andres Preschel: So what's gonna happen?

Carlos : This is lymphatically absorbed So it's absorbed by your lymphatic system. So the cool thing about the Kaiser track, so I got off injectable because, you know, my wife and I are working on fertility, but also the studies on the Kaiser track.

SPEAKER_02: Thank you for trusting us. You just took progesterone. So you might just feel like a chick. That was my trick. I do it to people who just trust.

Carlos : The interesting thing about the FDA study was that it was the total testosterone to free testosterone ratio. So Miguel and I naturally have high running sex hormones. So that means that when we're on injectable testosterone, we need to push total testosterone beyond 1,500, 1,800 to get our free testosterone in that 20 to 30 range. So you guys are at 1,500?

SPEAKER_02: Yeah. It doesn't matter. It doesn't matter.

Carlos : You can go 10,000. It doesn't really matter. What matters is the bioavailability and SHBG. The free testosterone, right? And the safety markers, like if your prostate goes to seven, you know, like, you know, you got to be careful. But point being is the Kaiser Trek study showed the ratio between the total and free testosterone. So the total testosterone didn't go over like 1,100, but that free testosterone rates reached the 35 range. So the total to free testosterone. The game is, Free testosterone.

Andres Preschel: What are your favorite ways to lower SHBG naturally?

SPEAKER_10: Supplements, lifestyle habits? There's quercetin, there's red light, there's even methylene blue.

SPEAKER_02: There's also testosterone there. There's binders to chelate, but you want to find natural ways to also get rid of it, right? Because it builds up as you age. The older we get, the more it builds up. And if you're already high at your age, you probably have a genetic predisposition like us that tends to be high.

Andres Preschel: My SHBG is in the 50 something, and it's been really difficult to get that lower.

SPEAKER_02: So you definitely don't have erections every day and have sex every day, that's what you're saying.

Andres Preschel: I 100% do.

Carlos : Let me ask you a question. You probably can't go back to back.

Andres Preschel: My total right now is 800 something. My buy available is high. Dude, I can go back to back all day. I'm not making this up, guys.

SPEAKER_02: My girlfriend's right over there. I believe you. I already know what's under the hood, bud. You're a Ferrari with a Toyota engine, but don't worry about it. I love you.

SPEAKER_10: You don't know what you're dealing with right here. You guys don't know what you're dealing with.

SPEAKER_02: Okay. Listen, I upgraded my engine. I got a fucking Formula One, man.

Carlos : I'll spend a few years. I don't need to upgrade this yet. You're a different specimen, right? You're also doing a lot of other biomechanics and you're doing longevity stuff. So, like, the numbers don't mean a lot if you don't have a lot of the symptoms, because you could be in the 400 range and feel great, and who are we to tell you that you need more testosterone, right?

SPEAKER_02: If you're feeling good and you're performing, and you're working out, you're doing all the right things, you're taking those supplements, you're grounding, you're getting light, I mean… You're doing what you can, but when you run into that issue that there is something wrong, where you're not getting erections, you get mental fog, aches and pains, you're gaining weight, your lipid profiles are off, something is off, that's where usually if your T is low, in fact, the American Urology Association and their testosterone deficiency guideline in 2018 now show that if you're under 300, you're at risk for cardiovascular disease. So being low puts you at risk for cardiovascular disease and even cancer, so there's a balance to it.

Carlos : Which is why the FDA just recently walked back their 20-year witch hunt on testosterone-causing cardiovascular disease. And prostate cancer. Yeah, they're 20 years late to the party, so thanks a lot. But they ended the witch hunt because the evidence is just too great.

Andres Preschel: What link have you guys seen between having heavy metals and low T or high SHBG?

Carlos : Definitely a link in terms of heavy metals. I mean, look, heavy metals can poison your system and cause all kinds of havoc.

Andres Preschel: I think one of the main issues with me was my mercury was off the fucking charts, literally off the charts. And I've been chelating. I think that's one of the reasons why my SHBG has been so high.

SPEAKER_02: I mean, listen, sweating every day is a great way also to get rid of the heavy metals, but most of us do have heavy metals. In fact, I was actually seeing the research of sun tanning. People that get really red is because they're carrying heavy metals and those metals are being reactive to the sun and they're causing the skin to be a lot more sensitive to the sun. But when you get rid of those heavy metals, you don't burn as much.

Carlos : And so what you're doing is really good, right? It's a factor and it's a fact. The reason why testosterone rates have dropped so low, we know the reason. It's been proven by Harvard University twice. It means endocrine-disrupting chemicals. Heavy metals is part of that, right? So we definitely do need to have a strategy to mitigate this stuff. Now, the only problem is that for a lot of us, especially your generation, my generation, we were affected in our mother's womb. Yeah. So this is something that it's not something that we can control. It's not something that we did or we didn't do. The heavy metals were there.

SPEAKER_02: Yeah, it's something that… Two or three generations passed out.

Carlos : Our mothers were painting their nails, doing their perm, you know, like they were being affected by all this stuff that they had no idea they were being affected that would affect our testosterone production at our age. So, like I said, if you're someone that was affected, your numbers are okay and you don't have the symptoms, amazing. Like, Run that as long as you can but the moment that you start to experience symptoms, don't play with it Don't sweep it under the rug. Don't try to finagle it. Don't try to I mean, it's just you're gonna run into a dead end Yeah, you know so and last question for you guys.

Andres Preschel: I mean, obviously Really high ROI being on a podcast by the way, you're getting paid to be here.

SPEAKER_02: Okay. All right You got it listen

Andres Preschel: Obviously, you know plastics microplastics in our bodies and our balls is a huge issue Is there any way to get rid of those those microplastics?

SPEAKER_02: I'll tell you right now a test you can do tomorrow million marker You basically the test for oxybenzone all phthalates. There's like four different phthalates parabens BPA there's four three different BPAs and

Andres Preschel: Oh, you can test it, but how do you get rid of it? Well, you asked the right question.

SPEAKER_02: Wait, hold on. So, what happens is they show you exactly what products can carry it, like your shampoo, your skin. The test will show you that? No, it tells you like your care cream, like your skin care creams, your shampoo. So, you got to look at every ingredient and see if any of those specific ingredients that tell you're on there and you got to get rid of it.

Andres Preschel: What's the test called one more time?

SPEAKER_02: Million Marker, I'll give you more information on it. But the point is that you can really, they say you can retest at three days, but to be on the safe side, just get rid of them, test it a week, everything should fall back to baseline. That means you're not putting all this toxic load that's affecting your reproductive system. One small dose of oxybenzone will last seven days in your body, which is exposing yourself to reproductive issues and cancer.

Carlos : To answer your question from a pragmatic and practical perspective, it's a lifestyle that you have to develop. You start with your personal care products first. Obviously, your drinking water. Filter your drinking water. Get a water filter. Get an air filter because you're also inhaling it. Look at the products that you're buying. Does it have parabens? Does it have plastic? Try to buy glass, stainless steel. It's a whole system that you have to… It takes time to develop it. It took us years to change because you have to change your cleaning products, the stuff that you clean your clothes with, the stuff that you clean your counters with. dishwashing soap, cutting boards, I mean it's everywhere, it's so intense, it's so pervasive that you have to be really diligent about like when you ask how do I get rid of it, I need to develop an entire lifestyle of buying products that sustains this kind of lifestyle so that you're not exposed to plastic.

SPEAKER_02: Now two major ones you would do is just Air filter for sure because of the volatile organic compounds, all the parasites and molds especially in Miami or Florida that you're basically inhaling. I actually tested right now out of 21 mycotoxins, I have three of the heaviest ones and nine times the amount of what a high level is. Yeah, I just don't know what it is. Now I gotta see if it's a wash. It could be a food. It's a lot of times in the coffee. And I drink a lot of coffee. So, fuck, now I gotta watch what even coffee I drink. But definitely the water and just your air. If you can clean your water and your air, I mean, that's like you're covering almost all the bases, right? And then you can start getting rid of, like, for example, my deodorant. It's made out of tallow. I don't wear cologne anymore. I don't put any cologne, unfortunately, because they have parabens and phthalates, so those are toxic for you. Even as, what's it called? Candles that are scented candles, they're toxic. Anything that has smell, that smells good, has parabens. Yeah, fragrances are terrible.

Carlos : And then the task… It's so much.

SPEAKER_02: If it's somebody like you, I would tell you to do the Million Marker because it's going to be a little overwhelming, but then you can start reverse engineering and then you start realizing, holy shit, I'm exposing myself to so many different chemicals.

Carlos : And it's a reality check, right? Like, you know, with this thing with cologne, like what I do now, if I have a special event, I'll put cologne on the shirt like two days prior.

SPEAKER_08: Yeah.

Carlos : And then hang it up and then put it on, you know, so… Good idea. You know, but that's what I'm saying. You have to develop a lifestyle and you have to develop the awareness that this stuff is, there's impossible to 100% insulate from it. So that's why you have to work that much harder to pay attention to what you're being exposed to.

SPEAKER_02: close out with this you definitely wanted to be doing every like year at least for three months chelation therapy some form of metal binders and getting rid of these things constantly because you're accumulating them no matter what happens you're accumulating them so you got to be getting rid of them you know

Andres Preschel: Guys, what an honor and pleasure. Thank you, guys. Love you, man. Yeah, I love you guys, too.

SPEAKER_10: All right, my brother.

Andres Preschel: Thank you so much for your time and for your wisdom. All right, we're here with Amitai from Young Goose. Welcome. Thank you. So, first of all, I want to start with why do you do what you do?

Amitai : because I believe it changes people's lives for the better. And I think the focal point of skin health for some people, it basically makes them be more aware of their general health. And that's my evil plan. The evil plan is to improve people's overall health, overall longevity through the onus of skin health. On the outside in. On the outside in, but also it's about caring, right? It's about some people you'll tell them, hey, you know, if you're going to treat your body better, or with more love, you will look better. So that's kind of our main mission is to make people treat themselves better.

Andres Preschel: And how does the sourcing of your ingredients and the blend of ingredients and everything that you guys do, how does that bring this mission to life?

Amitai : Our whole credo, the person that we serve, the imaginary person that we serve, is a person that is interested in the longevity framework and the longevity way of thinking around health. And some people, they first of all become our clients because of results, and they don't know what NAD precursors or spermidine or peptides are, but because they love the product, they want to learn more about why it works, and then they get into longevity. So it's kind of a bipolar type of company, right?

Andres Preschel: And what's the benefit of putting this on your skin versus taking it orally?

Amitai : So the skin is, the older we get, by the way, especially women, the older we get, the less the skin is prioritized as a communication organ outward. So if you can think when we're sexually viable, we're in our reproductive prime, one of the skin's main jobs is kind of to communicate to the environment, hey, I'm healthy, and I can produce healthy offsprings. When we go past the reproductive prime, that mission of the skin is significantly diminished. And the prioritization of longevity ingredients or even youthful function is almost being abandoned. And that is obviously, I'm talking in heuristics here because there are hormonal changes that cause that or epigenetic changes that cause that but what we are doing basically is providing ingredients that are not prioritized that your body is not prioritizing we're kind of bypassing the decision making of your body because that's kind of what biohacking is in some extent it's like how do I bypass the natural way things have gone until now But in a natural way, can I communicate to my body, hey, I still want you to be youthful, et cetera.

Andres Preschel: I mean, I would say that the modern environment that is so different from the way that we've evolved justifies that. Because someone might say, well, you're vandalizing your body. Why would you do something like that? But I think it's almost like a way to fight back and return to the world that we're designed to live in.

Amitai : Yeah, I think also, first of all, you are correct. I think the, not only the chemical environment we live in, but also the idea environment we live in, is an idea that part of self-love or self-acceptance or our, we really want to look as young and as vibrant as we can, and it affects how we behave and treat ourselves on the inward. And what we're doing, and you're correct that some people would say, hey, you could go too far and vandalize, you know, you could go too far, basically. You could have that affect you mentally. What we're doing is we're trying to play both sides of the court. First of all, we try to give you the results that you are interested in, but we are trying to do it in a much more, I would say, much more conscientious way because we're not doing it through, you know, toxin injections. We're not doing it through Foreign materials that we inject into your skin to make it, you know appear younger We actually make it function like a younger tissue and that is why someone sees results So I agree with you in a perfect world. We will just accept us the way that we are but but again because we are in a in idea framework that propagates our physical appearance to how we feel about ourselves, we are here to do it in the most natural way with the tools that nature provided us to affect cellular function.

Andres Preschel: And last question for you here. If you could put a word, message or phrase on a billboard somewhere in the world, what would it say and where would you put it?

Amitai : I can't remember who wrote it, but it's today is the tomorrow I was so afraid of yesterday.

Andres Preschel: Today is the tomorrow I was so afraid of yesterday. Today is the tomorrow I was so afraid of yesterday. What does that mean to you?

Amitai : Tomorrow that I was dreading that is going to come, that's today. There is a famous rabbi in Judaism that said that my feet now stand where my brain, where my mind visited before. Really, I think it's a framework of understanding like I really need to… Is that Menachem? That is Rabbi, that's not Menachem, that's Rabbi Milubavitch. But really, but the idea is that I really need to live with intention, understand where I want to be in the future, work towards it, build habits to be that person in the future, really. More than work towards it, like be that person. What do I need to do to be that person in the future?

Andres Preschel: It's a reverse engineer, that role.

Amitai : Exactly. And we see it in business, we see it in any type of success, even interpersonal success. You know, if you don't have a relationship right now with your spouse, if you don't have a spouse, if you don't have the relationship with your parents or with your children the way that you want it, it's nice to have some kind of like a conciliatory moment and say, oh, you know, let's all kumbaya. But really what you need to do is work on the person that you want to be when you interact with them. That would be the better choice there, right?

Andres Preschel: Well, because you can't control them, you can only control yourself and you can also lead by example and do more showing rather than telling. And I think with the people that we care about the most are the people that are the most qualified to walk away from the situation or tell us, sometimes not so politely, but to shut up.

Amitai : I agree, and I think as they always say, you are the average of the five people who are closer to you. Well, you are one of the five people for a lot of other people, right? So the better you become as a human being, that's the way to contribute to other people's lives, not necessarily to tell them what to do, right?

Andres Preschel: Amitai, thank you so much. Thank you. Honor and pleasure. This is great, man. Thank you. This is really great. All right. I'm here with the Christiana winner. Welcome to the show.

Christiana Winner: Thank you very much. Lovely to see you here.

Andres Preschel: Great. Likewise. Why do you do what you do?

Christiana Winner: Well, I went through a very difficult period about five years ago and I decided to pull myself out of a very difficult situation on my own and what I discovered through this was that I could take charge of my own health and well-being and I basically just want to show other People that you know are dealing with certain issues mine was menopause that you can actually we're in a space now with access to so many, you know Modalities and tests now that you can actually start to take care of your own health and well-being and I think it's really important people know that so I just share what I'm learning what I'm loving what I'm you know, I'm very happy doing and hopefully inspiring and get people to motivated to do you know to start their own journeys as well.

Andres Preschel: Well look I mean menopause is obviously a huge issue for so many women and there's a huge sense of urgency and a lot of women get desperate for answers and we live in a world where there's unlimited access to information so how do women with menopause get access to the right information?

Christiana Winner: Well, I think there's such a misnomer. People think, you know, I have to go to my GP or my gynecologist. Unfortunately, they were not trained for this kind of thing. You need to find a menopause specialist. But I always say the first thing you need to do is get a blood test. So you can go to any lab, get a full hormone panel. And from there, I go to a naturopath, who we read all the results together. We navigated all the different ways that we could get hormone replacement done. And then from there, we devised a plan. So for me, I do a pellet every four months. But there are bioidentical creams, there are pills. I take two pills at night. And it's been a game changer for me. So, you know, I struggled with weight gain, anxiety, depression, all the things that come with menopause. And after some tweaks and doing things and working hard, obviously putting on muscle, eating the right things, changing up my diet, what I put on and in my body, everything came together. And, you know, I lost the weight. I'm feeling better. I'm stronger than I've ever been. I'm 57. So all I can say is get tested.

Andres Preschel: I mean, you obviously look and feel incredible, and I mean, I can't imagine how many women you inspire every single day. What do you feel has had the highest ROI on the way that you feel?

Christiana Winner: I think for years, you know, I was always very athletic and doing all the things because I wanted to look a certain way. But my priorities changed where I now want to feel a certain way. And one of the things that I found is that incorporating heavy weights, okay? So, like Vonda Wright says, put down those mamby-pamby pink weights, and you gotta lift heavy shit. And you've got to move your body. So, by incorporating the heavy, heavy weights, and I'm constantly moving. I'm walking, I've got a walking pad.

Andres Preschel: You're doing walking handstands on the beach.

Christiana Winner: I can walk on my hands. I'll walk anywhere and anyway. And I think it's really important. I walk in the water. Great resistance. So, you know, you've gotta prioritize movement.

Andres Preschel: And last question for you, if you could put a word, message, or phrase on a billboard somewhere in the world, what would it say and where would you put it?

Christiana Winner: Well, I think in the realm that I'm in and where I want people to sort of take charge and start to really be accountable for their own health and well-being, I would say, you're never going to get well-rested until you're tested.

Andres Preschel: Wow. Yeah, there you go. What gets measured gets managed. Exactly. Cristiana, thank you so much. So that's all for today's show. Thank you so much for tuning in today. For all of the show notes, including clickable links to anything and everything that we discussed today, everything from discount codes to videos, to research articles, books, tips, tricks, techniques, and of course, to learn more about the guest on today's episode, all you have to do is head to my website, AndresPeruchel.com, that's A-N-D-R-E-C-H-E-L. E-S-P-R-E-S-C-H-E-L.com and go to podcasts. You can also leave your feedback, questions, and suggestions for future episodes, future guests, so on and so forth. Thanks again for tuning in and I'll see you on the next one. Have a lovely rest of your day.